From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCB5aTpBBoENBGbXw@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 08 19:59:12 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PbmQt-00022C-E7; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:59:11 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf10583050vws.16 for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:59:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PlOi3uUjUgQK714tK5mw3KnNbTnbYMxOzWXG48OESTM=; b=cGGJqMMuUVEL+zoLtuBCmvIsZqJcdvN7pa/M3zD+6h7aqksLx++j85YjWjRaDx4C6C hMkc6MOyT+yhDSy4uQY9fnpCOGALoYfZff3TKwVIdSLnHktznFbMz96to60PI2lVcz5f GNP9p36MhSCP3F+xEIVrslX0oCLn2AazfaZFw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IbUHdmS7PrwGV9YY8tmJonc/WKK3aBPUjjv+cCI6Nc8w0fOtkwlQnu0Fw7ZHvDgsvU pndN7heGsklcMXVhUOudle3U+uE05ZKWWbXoiw0vVv4KpKUPzeLoWTV2DLhr3cbekizn wHJH8c/iC53TlvdzQ084fmbQMI1SsKTkf1ZrE= Received: by 10.220.176.12 with SMTP id bc12mr1147071vcb.18.1294545537228; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:58:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.109.143 with SMTP id j15ls938556vcp.1.p; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.179.129 with SMTP id bq1mr3208922vcb.11.1294545536283; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.179.129 with SMTP id bq1mr3208921vcb.11.1294545536265; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14si2437783vbv.1.2011.01.08.19.58.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.177; Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so19049562qyk.1 for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:58:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.89.78 with SMTP id d14mr21216897qcm.251.1294545534940; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:58:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20963.85801.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <4D25CFD8.6010408@lojban.org> <63371.11455.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20963.85801.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:58:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM, John E Clifford wro= te: > Well, that sounds testable. Does anyone have access to a 10-year-old to s= ee > if we can match his/her comnversation for, say, a month? > > ________________________________ > From: Oleksii Melnyk > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 2:14:01 AM > Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] = Re: > Vote for the Future Global Language) > > > > 2011/1/8 John E Clifford >> >> I suppose that what is meant is the right words, not just the number.=A0= The >> autogenerated ones would not be intelligible Lojban, even if they were >> well-formed. > > The first allocation method still works -- as the vocabulary is being > constantly filled with the meanings, that appears in the lojbanist's sigh= t. > Yes, no one will know all the words - just like in most of natlangs. > > >> >> The claim is basically, that we aren't "finished" because we haven't >> talked enough about enough things, certainly that there are things talke= d >> about in other languages which have never been mentioned in Lojban and y= et >> are in the realm of Lojbanists' experiences (this to keep Piranha finish= ed >> even though no one has talked about nuclear physics -- or plain physics = -- >> in it). > > To make that a good criteria we need to define the "standard native > speaker", and it should be slightly educated 10 years old child - after t= hat > they becomes too different. Does lojban's vocabulary covers such a needs? > > -- > mu'o mi'e lex > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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