From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDN56TpBBoEqn-mmg@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 08 20:04:45 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PbmWF-0002UA-NU; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:04:45 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf63346124qyk.16 for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:04:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6epSp90V4DN3HNbQR8yykrwIf6suZ4g5law8Xu7yaEY=; b=0UH1TADsNYUDRc+ScySP9k3PPCwyw+w+6ZOuFXkHpJ8XgowUTUYGs+l5f5FuqGDSGg RD68852fqFAqMq/58ssQJNkWjE86vP78bMSkGN/WjKsgVybLh0UETbzLSsA1XY590RRQ tCNXvXMwbbxnjLszcz+gvUxlrBr23XTw3bwpw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=W9PyZEAQV3XQ184U9OtdxePKLvFoFwUP0vEIyLCBc1Z7TJzO8mnKV2UPQvY7ppVFFL nlIU5cAY7htERfFRbO6wgPF2vDDEDy98YeBdelZzVNmVTz2vr78RiS42aGDShZbgNkYw SpVlCpYhSZO7XW5d53cwhbP42jsVXLeT7agog= Received: by 10.224.176.202 with SMTP id bf10mr1546039qab.16.1294545869693; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:04:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.75.218 with SMTP id z26ls6316232qcj.3.p; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.135.139 with SMTP id n11mr2979143qct.3.1294545869158; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.135.139 with SMTP id n11mr2979142qct.3.1294545869087; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 19si5181653qci.1.2011.01.08.20.04.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.172; Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so507758qyk.17 for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:04:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.235.147 with SMTP id kg19mr876046qcb.61.1294545867951; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 20:04:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <4D25CFD8.6010408@lojban.org> <63371.11455.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20963.85801.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 23:04:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course, my ten year old says plenty of things that there are no lojban words for, or that would require circumlocutions. Plenty of them even today. Like "chulent", or "melave malka" or "brisket" I don't really want to zoi quote every other word he says. So maybe not the best 10yo to use.... On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0I do. > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM, John E Clifford w= rote: >> Well, that sounds testable. Does anyone have access to a 10-year-old to = see >> if we can match his/her comnversation for, say, a month? >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Oleksii Melnyk >> To: lojban@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 2:14:01 AM >> Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban]= Re: >> Vote for the Future Global Language) >> >> >> >> 2011/1/8 John E Clifford >>> >>> I suppose that what is meant is the right words, not just the number.= =A0 The >>> autogenerated ones would not be intelligible Lojban, even if they were >>> well-formed. >> >> The first allocation method still works -- as the vocabulary is being >> constantly filled with the meanings, that appears in the lojbanist's sig= ht. >> Yes, no one will know all the words - just like in most of natlangs. >> >> >>> >>> The claim is basically, that we aren't "finished" because we haven't >>> talked enough about enough things, certainly that there are things talk= ed >>> about in other languages which have never been mentioned in Lojban and = yet >>> are in the realm of Lojbanists' experiences (this to keep Piranha finis= hed >>> even though no one has talked about nuclear physics -- or plain physics= -- >>> in it). >> >> To make that a good criteria we need to define the "standard native >> speaker", and it should be slightly educated 10 years old child - after = that >> they becomes too different. Does lojban's vocabulary covers such a needs= ? >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e lex >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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