From lojban+bncCO-q2omxARC5q4TpBBoEPM0sJw@googlegroups.com Sun Jan 02 16:18:18 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZY7n-0004M0-OP; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:18:18 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf43652214qyk.16 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:18:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=U4sSJKrQISXUAmVEN0J5ll61CapIPETnbVdqzTKT970=; b=Sl7mgSHK38FWhBIZj4w48eNBC4BrVwupVV5OGRmseG3h2Lxo5jcvWxFLRbq+esDp3p Kk8lQr1FenxC5Z0ra9bK5UlWlMTl3ccX8R9XvY+y2zPmbn0gRg1BQhCvN7HkwG9eHzXg 9odYznxyk1yKTvYX9iZ/lW1CFcvoOJMNBCG0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Q2ifmJjupF8I/8FItjLHDxRsC1qu+k3094fBfrI2p5+/vPpM1ra8/CsCyH8KJz6HCx nEji/eFljLsKqZ+eW+FigiMIZNs0cnucjaP+BzO7D33oRMlPI/qAZhyVH85/I+juH2oC XFcMEMT+6Wrtueoo7xYZm+CgK3bzZOBMhFHc4= Received: by 10.224.2.212 with SMTP id 20mr484665qak.2.1294013881305; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:18:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.196.195 with SMTP id eh3ls1561321qab.1.p; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.89.14 with SMTP id c14mr1818623qam.8.1294013880775; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:18:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.180.137 with SMTP id bu9mr773959vcb.48.1294004355998; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 13:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:39:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:39:15 -0800 (PST) X-IP: 86.74.92.227 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/8.0.552.224 Safari/534.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <333436a0-9719-42c8-93ca-de86cc25b5af@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] FA + (JA or JOI) + FA_or_BAI_or-other-modal-place-introducers From: "spermwhale.warrior" To: lojban X-Original-Sender: guerrier.cachalot@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 coi ro do You can logically link one tense cmavo with an other tense cmavo, making the sumtcita filling the two place, and we can understand it as if the modal place resulting of theses linked tense cmavo was something more than just the separate tenses place with an assertion that they are true both, or neither, and so on. Like a tanru : la'e lu mi prami je se censa do li'u ka'e stidi lo lijda zatpa'i even if my example is not the best because a simple tanru can also do the job, or you can use {jdapa'i} to convey this specific meaning. But the essential is here to suggest. ta'onai I wondered : why can't we (at least I never notice this usage) write things like that : mi fijoibai do jmive zei lifri it could be said by someone who just attempts to commit sucide to the woman who saved him/her. would it not be a good poetic tips? it would be necessary to modify the grammar unless there was a pure morphologic problem, in that case we could do nothing. pe'ipei ki'emu'omi'e la brabenvaxda'u balsoi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.