From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD8k6fpBBoE_2ipSg@googlegroups.com Sun Jan 09 06:45:37 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PbwWT-00071O-2J; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:45:37 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf20704848wwb.16 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:45:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nSehQ07fLG6baqef60zPPbJhU47ez9VWYJu+xzHtCW8=; b=5w9G4B72jafSUQnf1AbGoMVS+qvSsp2+XvDaiWbyrxqjwHR5rZG+o7jRuhRX4mM5AT cAZ7xRm28acQRbI3Mdc0zbFfKu1zNMzYyh/dQL+F+R8pobxAcbd015EnoktZ68tTgfG7 xzQqHIeM0KiHvkApkxWbq2ZcPKrgF8vurF81c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=0OOZjfFPPdzPYU6cj7eXiWmESZFO60Id9cXLUEQz8RjuGNrH4k5SpA7cgB+M65V1+f X2uVEMQm+enDsA4GDjYtuaxPHid3oU3Q72XY/fFhZwwDiMCl/dnPE6j7GLkoiCovri0d /DOuan0D/zsKWs1ws5ts65HJ0SIYO5Ge8V79M= Received: by 10.216.185.204 with SMTP id u54mr3803186wem.8.1294584316905; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:45:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.184.76 with SMTP id cj12ls5390685wbb.3.p; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.128.7 with SMTP id i7mr962471wbs.14.1294584315898; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.128.7 with SMTP id i7mr962470wbs.14.1294584315843; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t13si4381706wbc.0.2011.01.09.06.45.14; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.41; Received: by mail-ww0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 18so867946wwi.4 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:45:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.152.8 with SMTP id e8mr17467944wbw.116.1294584293598; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.72 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 06:44:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D299D75.9090608@lojban.org> References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> <673286.9022.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294930.94884.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D299D75.9090608@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:44:53 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > John E Clifford wrote: > >> The 'ji' solution to the choice question is very Logjamish; it is easy t= o >> picture JCB cackling with glee over it. =A0But it raises (not "begs" >> gawdammit) some further questions, all of which have been raised before = and >> probably solved. =A0But, I don't remember the solutions and they may not= be in >> the consciousness of many less-than-decades Lojbanists: >> 1. =A0What is the question to which "cream", "sugar, "neither" or "both"= are >> *answers*, not merely side remarks that happen to do the job answers are >> meant to do? The one I prefer is: lo kruji lo sukta zo'u do djica ma "Cream, sugar: you want what?" The answers "lo kruji", "lo sukta", "noda", "roda". And if you want to be less than helpful: "pada", "su'oda", "me'ida", and so on. >> 2) How does (or indeed, just "Does") the 'ji' solution extend to cases o= f >> three or more choice items, as in the subject line? >> 3) What about extending the solution to 1 above to more than two cases? > > You asked me 2) and 3) way back in 1987-1988 when we were just starting o= n > the redesign. =A0I recall you had calculated just how many answers would = be > needed for 3 terms, and 4 terms, and how many of them could be covered by > TLI Loglan constructs. The helpful answers can all be covered with "... (na).e(nai) ... .e(nai) ... .e(nai) ... ..." > We devised a solution, which no one else seems to have mentioned. =A0That > solution was eventually generalized in a different sense, so I am not > surprised that it was forgotten. > > The solution avoided ji altogether, and asked for selection from a set wi= th > members specified by lu'i/lu'u. =A0More complex cases could be specified = with > multiple set expressions (any 2 of set A) union (any 1 of set B). You don't spell out the solution. Presumably it was something like: do djica ma poi cmima ... ce ... ce ... ce ... But you don't really need to use sets, you could also say: do djica ma poi me ... .a ... .a ... .a ... > I remember playing with trying to devise questions that might actually > arise, that would use multiple sets, and then realized that we have "Pick= 2 > from column A and 1 from column B) as something that does arise in Englis= h. Example? > Now that lu'i has been generalized into a series that serves as a > set/mass/individual/pointer converter, I suspect that there is a lot more > power in the construct than even I dreamed of. =A0But I don't remember ho= w > much of what we were thinking of in 1988 made it into CLL in 1997. You're probably thinking of "lu'a" rather than "lu'i". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.