From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBD17avpBBoEq5mETQ@googlegroups.com Mon Jan 10 04:09:40 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PcGZ6-0001hm-2j; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:09:40 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf18639985gxk.16 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:09:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=85X08o0VwlNA++2/7Fdl3v4WdY76fy8myDACkEHVoUM=; b=w+6iGqbpfjXaukLFuLeeHiGI3GDZtn7ds3DV9AdTrQgj9YUfhq13/HZQZwMJJSL7/V T03wUcm/mHfStNeWiHB/UnI9AGw3URtT2anjJNG6ZieJD7ZuN7MRsqB9xmnIZnci2WRO cwILeyRYKdDYDsBZFb+mUUfJu/Qb3wBFiN8T8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=nV0MquDwNBihMMixyGhuZMOcCEiIzvA05NK1VNcF4MclfKeXAhqCLAN69YhG1v1azJ a4K5To6+nk7No2ldTk89oiIBXqEEEdgTDb9vNx75opu1PoYOkeiARbKgXeTXZCgq3ES0 iVVCaPxTME0687qevKREN2jiCEb5BTeUmSt3w= Received: by 10.151.62.16 with SMTP id p16mr1152043ybk.58.1294661365428; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:09:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.6.39 with SMTP id 39ls8090660ybf.4.p; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.212.19 with SMTP id k19mr3718578ybg.28.1294661364650; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.212.19 with SMTP id k19mr3718577ybg.28.1294661364628; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id u31si2538286yba.13.2011.01.10.04.09.24; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.48; Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20110110120925.DVVE7953.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:09:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id to9P1f00M3Xcbvq02o9Pr7; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:09:24 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Cb6tSBYYalcgRLhkiomkNKoeOXnHJTFzdIYPPx8DYag= c=1 sm=1 a=hQ6Vh0px9vgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=L3lLz8RapyVHLerVTUQA:9 a=Y0YYiIS_2Ch-YHLxuL0cwIEXTwcA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4D2AF6F0.8090306@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:09:20 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) References: <4D25D915.9080305@lojban.org> <4D25F6F2.7050205@gmail.com> <20110106171943.GZ17534@digitalkingdom.org> <4D260F63.7090101@gmail.com> <20110106190153.GB23787@digitalkingdom.org> <4D26227D.4080207@gmail.com> <20110106204552.GH23787@digitalkingdom.org> <4D2A0F3A.2020403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D2A0F3A.2020403@gmail.com> X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed And Rosta wrote: > and to abolish the irregular scope rule for selbri tcita > "na" (which is in CLL). That irregular scope rule for na as selbri tcita (i.e. without ku) was explicitly stated to allow for "natural language negation" which pc identified as being NOT consistent in scope with standard negation, but pretty much universal in natural language (pc extensively reviewed The Natural History of Negation as source for this claim.) Perhaps we should have considered a different cmavo for natural language negation, but the analysis was a late backfit on the already completed design, and there was too much historical usage of na for the non-logical negation. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.