From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEOvRrOkEGgQUsJip@googlegroups.com Mon Jan 10 07:42:48 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PcJtM-0003YK-NK; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:42:48 -0800 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9sf5643180pzk.16 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:42:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=JmJuUq3Xx31aCb/zKj1EW2sonJ9ZZaVP7oLH6jFCLPU=; b=e6EKvfhCBm5Rz1lyIJAQk22kIl0uakAJJGz2GzKYOtsOoyObMxtJ5pSUwx5LHNazS9 31q/manPExGZDiLTLWsSJLxOveS3C6cF0MOUfvVzlv5G+jbrwPaTX8fKzxvUhD5D4wS2 G87SS6nn24kHIbU9sJpUOIB0yRlQymZbEJ5jc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=6sY1EczSPs9etwm+Ai0pKm2IDo5oVirlbizU+jdEwlEGW8sGtSplCIgqLTTwCEE34R jieoFI615SR+S/mwn9ZXEmtLMk+VXwvdo7iuWnpu7Pj2ia/+05TRnxD43Dh8vWEFjXko wN/YlimvLLmXy5Ta3Bi6H/e265ZmGp2/dZe28= Received: by 10.142.62.31 with SMTP id k31mr275594wfa.9.1294674155266; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:42:35 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.249.41 with SMTP id w41ls33413051wfh.1.p; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.210.8 with SMTP id i8mr4464219wfg.3.1294674153148; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.210.8 with SMTP id i8mr4464215wfg.3.1294674153094; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m3si6070249wfl.5.2011.01.10.07.42.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PcJtA-0003Y4-Ez for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:42:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:42:32 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) Message-ID: <20110110154232.GM6914@digitalkingdom.org> References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <4D25F32F.8000209@gmail.com> <4D299E8D.2080107@lojban.org> <4D2A1FDE.2020109@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D2A1FDE.2020109@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 08:51:42PM +0000, And Rosta wrote: > >In short, until someone actually DOES produce a demonstrably more > >excellent (A), claims that it would be "easy" to do so are indeed > >both hollow and insulting. > > The claim that the design of Lojban could be substantially > improved upon is so transparently true that it is completely > unreasonable to find it hollow or insulting. Agreed, but that isn't what we were being insulted by *at all*. It was the claim (possibly not actually intended by anybody) that doing something like the CLL for another language is easy. > If you were thinking that I was claiming that it would be easy to > write another CLL, then I agree that would have been hollow and > insulting. Erm, yes, that. :) -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.