From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCK9azpBBoEMVZd2A@googlegroups.com Mon Jan 10 08:58:01 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PcL47-0005So-PE; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:58:01 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf68592981qyk.16 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:57:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9EQ7P++0PWMEU4Oto/P2bBj1NboGWp31TLq3JNspHYQ=; b=nf0kIMJT/UjT6XJZyo0t5UT/GJ9AVQ+33hm/yTfaZTwS+2TeQdP0L1suWmoyEMGSBG p3NpAuMsvg6jtYX4gDLAcRpeqQ6jDE3I1grqo3fJodUMdH1wXl7+SUvj6K8arkakCZZ7 rdgUELllZlFoThxWaZUUKJ07GEPcfYhOl4uIA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=W+8fCFz7cqVnFD+XazYhhmuf6QkTJ08fL4gC1gRmivzomhBltu8ALyQ2oWu0bcrkaY gfFZZNl7a/9BP66heL2b5DfGeJ8Z+Jo/c+ZQxMrw2ASP15J6kKHLTkQwqLGocBOkisbc lGVF7/lns1+BkCPRx9tDsKAkZohDH5tHZehts= Received: by 10.229.69.9 with SMTP id x9mr4080794qci.47.1294678666376; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:57:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.196.195 with SMTP id eh3ls2865814qab.1.p; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.37.139 with SMTP id x11mr2723127qad.17.1294678665077; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.37.139 with SMTP id x11mr2723126qad.17.1294678665043; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com (mail-vw0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k7si5453855qcu.6.2011.01.10.08.57.43; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by mail-vw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 10so7784234vws.14 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:57:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.95.200 with SMTP id e8mr25042330qcn.213.1294678663222; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:57:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <592786.85574.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4D25CFD8.6010408@lojban.org> <63371.11455.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20963.85801.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913593.57689.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D299F91.2020308@lojban.org> <20110110145240.GK6914@digitalkingdom.org> <592786.85574.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:57:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Out of the mouths of babes (was Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It does. Look at it. On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:25 AM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > I think that just pulling out the words or concepts would not do the tric= k. =A0We > need to be able to cover what the child *says*, not merely the words s/he= uses > individually, especially since the words turn out in context to have a va= riety > of meanings, often far from the base. =A0I haven't look at the db, but if= it does > not include conversations -- and fairly long ones at that -- it will ulti= mately > not be satisfactory (that is, it wi;; leave it open for critics to say we= have > not made our case.) > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robin Lee Powell > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 8:52:40 AM > Subject: Out of the mouths of babes (was Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop= saying > that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) > > On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 06:44:17AM -0500, Bob LeChevalier, President > and Founder - LLG wrote: >> John E Clifford wrote: >> >Portable recorder (a pen size say) and transcription at the end >> >of each day. =A0Textbooks cover very little of a typical >> >10-year-old's life, nor would adding in books, tv and games cover >> >the whole very well. >> >> I believe that there already exist such corpora; I had access to >> one several years ago, called CHILDES. =A0I don't remember the age >> range. >> >> http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/ =A0seems to be the current site, and it >> looks like they've accomplished a lot since I last looked. > > That looks really complicated. =A0If there's a way to extract "here's > a list of words/concepts that any language should/must be able to > easily express", I don't see how to do it. =A0If you could explore the > site to find that, it would be really helpful. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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