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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 2011 jbonunsla planning (was Re: [lojban] Semantic Representation of Lojban) Message-ID: <20110111035527.GA37923@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110106204534.GF27821@alice.local> <20110106204813.GI23787@digitalkingdom.org> <20110106210000.GG27821@alice.local> <20110107232345.GB6914@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110107232345.GB6914@digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.213.171 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 03:23:45PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 02:00:00PM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 12:48:13PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > Suggestions as to time, and in particular whether it should be > > > conjoined with an SF convention or just a bunch of Lojbanists in > > > a room together, would be very welcome. > > > > > > I have a mild preference for the latter, but it gets draining > > > after a while. > > > > Being away from my home over May Day is a huge compromise for me, > > so I have not done it in years past. I've gotten to the point > > where I'm *willing* to do so, but if I had anything like a choice, > > I'd pick any other weekend. > > I have no attachment to that weekend whatsoever. > > > If I have a real for actual choice of weekends, I'll send you my > > ordered choices. > > Sure, you and others should feel free to do that. > Here is my ordered list, easiest to accomodate to most difficult to accomodate. The dates are the weekend, but I can overflow into the adjoining weekdays: 9-10 Apr 2011 23-24 Apr 2011 7-8 May 2011 11-12 Jun 2011 21-22 May 2011 I kept it to roughly the same time period as previous years. > > My preference would be to meet specifically for Lojban, I'm not > > interested in a SF/other convention going on, save as a means for > > getting people into the Lojban room. > > > > As to format, I would love to see an unconference/open space/agile > > format. > > Well, we're talking about less than 12 people, so it tends to be > pretty loose. Generally we just get together in a room and do > whatever we feel like. :) > > I'd like to have may be a *bit* more structure. > A bit more structure than an unconference or a bit more structure than previous jbonunsla? > > It is something I understand and am engaged by, but I caveat that > > I have a specific stack of things I'm interested in talking about, > > and that format would allow me a platform for doing so. > > > > Reviewing the memory of my notes (alas, they aren't in front of > > me) conference planning suggest we'd need at least two rooms, a > > break room with food/water and misc discussion/checking out and a > > topic room for focused and engaged conversation constrained by a > > timebox. > > > > I don't have a sense for the minimum number of people needed to > > make something like this effective, but my sense is that as we > > approach or cross that lower bound having an SF convention around > > us would allow a release for the kind of drain a small participant > > count would incur. Which means, Lojbanistan, that I need you to > > come to jbonunsla and save me from that fate! > > You seem to know more about this than I do. Perhaps *you* should > organize it. :) > > FWIW, the reason I was talking about the SF Bay Area is that we have > 4 of us in easy proximity. Given the number of people we're talking > about, that's pretty overwhelmingly compelling; I'm aware of no > other part of the world with that many. > I'm happy to be involved. When I organize events here, I'm part of a team, and I know so much about it because I work with a kick-ass group of people, not because I'm some kind of one-man conference organizer. Without my team, I'm really only moderately proficient at doing this. I do have a good understanding of what I'm good at and what I'm terrible at, however. I'll avoid volunteering for the latter. I know of only one place that can be used as a venue, and I only know about it because Willem and Evan used it to host a "Where are your Keys" workshop in San Franciso: http://whereareyourkeys.org/2010/01/01/wayk-workshop-in-san-francisco-jan-23rd-and-24th-2010/ Agilistry Studio is the name of the place. I imagine your proximity will make finding a place easier for you than for me, but here is my contribution anyway. -Alan -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.