From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEPa-sukEGgT3Irgh@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 11 10:20:54 2011 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcips-0001Td-0z; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:20:54 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf6599443pwi.16 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:20:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=7GTgOFJUFul+aavUcttA/SFGqCsz5SeBtzsSBNf/mAM=; b=FY0ym+bKa+98Nt0FGW4ShgMqbvCF6/esNESbAuw2ALRWuRC5hDtzkt2MAvnZrRbY0C stRS1x8kE1B+MKpH+Gh1nMPEJQbv1XqUZRv2KXFkUkKIacPpzriqqua5KPcGcJtqXvVB gOr2+UJPg6u+4Qq2lvNrVPcB8EbwLECOy8u28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=c+KnWF/No8RqyTFjwuqRid+i5uBK8sRs84lhdwOsw5V0T9/o0BrHlKSw2YklSObxkD Tlnw1myNG1Aj/pPuOFGeg4KrCWIkkkesTAI6WeONp7fv75TqttUEA3L5ncSspUva7wMO d/EIB0NWIbBNxIjanHMgyCfax3EnnKa6iQbi8= Received: by 10.142.65.9 with SMTP id n9mr7086wfa.49.1294770038240; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:20:38 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.97.18 with SMTP id u18ls7372630wfb.2.p; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.154.13 with SMTP id b13mr46400wfe.54.1294770036928; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.154.13 with SMTP id b13mr46398wfe.54.1294770036900; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p40si7574570wfc.2.2011.01.11.10.20.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcipg-0001TW-28 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:20:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:20:36 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: Lojban List Subject: Re: [lojban] compound cmavo classification in cmavo.txt Message-ID: <20110111182035.GD2132@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110111164936.GC38541@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110111164936.GC38541@alice.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 09:49:36AM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote: > The following file: > > http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/cmavo.txt > > Is a list of cmavo. I believe it is the canonical list, please > correct me if that is a misunderstanding. > > This file includes compound cmavo, like "le go'i", but only > includes a single selma'o class, even when the compound cmavo > consists of cmavo in more than one selma'o. That's what the * means. > I particularly question these productions: > > JAI VA -> SE > JAI BAI -> SE > JAI PU -> SE > LE GOhA -> KOhA > LE SE GOhA -> KOhA > > Because I don't think there is any grammatical way in that compound > cmavo become a differente, single cmavo, No, but they work the same way. That is, "mi se klama" and "mi jai pu klama" have almost the same parse tree. What cmavo.txt *actually* says there is SE*, which means "this is a compound that sorta-kinda acts like SE". -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". 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