From lojban+bncCIzD1o6fERDhibfpBBoEpgNs3w@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 12 07:14:31 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pd2Oz-0006Pk-7P; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:14:31 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf508666gyb.16 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:14:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:subject:references :from:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=d14bBnCsunCuZj75Yd2yKbBsmSDnoOcGQSCSxNEeCP8=; b=tCwrgps16dfhRiBxt8mQg3hhqYbQYNz6krqX9px6vTwZLIDY2ThyOjHQKqPo1hCnv3 uY+sH0YSWgKFBSewmVpkni+dk0gZCE69LEB8pUyzTdempLjSkufivpJNqTlpCPeiSLgC sD3XS+RyDqE1xHw35WJY896HwxULr1c8MZltQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:subject:references:from:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Zf0eBPVbg1QNNKRrNk2KxJNK/zhhQ6Po66smUC28te4XD8DsaVWIMrqef5L3H5j4Jk XlTg6VxTbRzfkM6+czE5dps2XP16RcoBiEThImsm+ouU3czq9ythCTlJWsavnZQOxoxQ XIZ1Y/jGOasN3KjdBys1125i4ihWMoTpWd7ic= Received: by 10.150.173.4 with SMTP id v4mr158766ybe.69.1294845153436; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:12:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.111.2 with SMTP id j2ls502710ybc.0.p; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.42.5 with SMTP id u5mr216437ybj.29.1294845152913; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr5434768wfg.4.1294761661527; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr5434765wfg.4.1294761661445; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from scribe-02.kattare.com (scribe-02a.kattare.com [204.13.10.126]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m3si7445957wfl.1.2011.01.11.08.01.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of brian@buildsoftware.com designates 204.13.10.126 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.13.10.126; Received: from [10.33.161.24] (mobile-166-137-011-081.mycingular.net [166.137.11.81] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by scribe-02.kattare.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p0BG0rPi006863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:00:56 -0800 Subject: [lojban] Lojban Wordnet References: <20110106204534.GF27821@alice.local> <20110106190925.10456l4s2t3z3808@www.kattare.com> <20110107130904.GB30364@alice.local> <20110108120058.16067ej75zl85v48@www.kattare.com> <20110111035733.GB37923@alice.local> From: Brian Eubanks X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: <20110111035733.GB37923@alice.local> Message-Id: <44DC0A08-7892-4DA3-8B75-A501EFF4153C@buildsoftware.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:00:40 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) X-Original-Sender: brian@buildsoftware.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of brian@buildsoftware.com designates 204.13.10.126 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=brian@buildsoftware.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-774358154 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-1-774358154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Alan, I changed the subject line to more easily follow this effort. Creativity in delivery is fine. The main thing is to associate both the gismu relation itself, and each of the gismu places, to a specific Wordnet synset and Wikipedia article URL. Wordnet search is at wordnet.princeton.edu Please make sure the wordnet "show database locations" option is selected, and provide the number from the braces. The dbpedia entity can just be the wikipedia page URL. e.g.: dunda {02199590} http://en.wiki... dunda1 {10025730} http... dunda2 {13265011} http... dunda3 {09627906} http... I'll do any necessary data conversion and formatting if it's reasonably clear what each correlation is. Thanks, Brian Eubanks On Jan 10, 2011, at 10:57 PM, ".alyn.post." wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 12:00:58PM -0500, Brian D. Eubanks wrote: >> Hi Alan, >> >> Thanks for your response and the crowdsourcing idea, and for linking >> to Jorne. As you suspected, I did only receive one or two inquiries >> about the linking effort. >> >> I like your idea of splitting a Wordnet linking project into specific >> chunks, each one centered around a group of related concepts. I >> discovered a very old mapping of gismu to Roget codes, which could be >> a starting point. I think I need to make this process super easy and >> painless if I expect anyone to get involved. >> >> What if I created some web pages that would allow Lojban experts to >> pick a gismu, then select related Wordnet or dbpedia entries from a >> list, and automatically save it to a database? >> >> We could then make the jorne web service accept Lojban text, and >> respond with related references from the Linked Data cloud. With this, >> you can follow that data to English and other Wordnets, Library of >> Congress subject headings, wikipedia/dbpedia, and the rest of the >> Linked Data "cloud". >> >> The Semantic Web conference was fantastic! It was overwhelming, but in >> a "too many sessions and not enough time" sort of way. The latest >> tools are amazing, and adoption is reaching a critical mass. I am >> considering submitting a talk for Semtech 2011 on why Lojban would >> work well with the semantic web. The due date is Monday, so I better >> get cracking on it ASAP. Wish me luck! >> >> As far as source code for my simple parse tree service, it's a real >> hack right now, but I will clean it up a little and put it on the >> jorne sourceforge. >> >> Last year I had intended to get more involved in this, but ran out of >> time to work on it. Now that there seems to be some interest from both >> you and Oren, and others, it's time to make this a reality. >> >> Are you offering to own the farm animal words? (asking rather >> sheepishly...) ;-) >> > > I will do farm animal words. I'm not 100% sure what you need. > Taking a stab, I can start with the things you list above, would you > like to be specific about what you need or are you happy with my > being creative in delivering it? > > -Alan > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Alan,

I = changed the subject line to more easily follow this effort.

<= /div>
Creativity in delivery is fine. The main thing is to associate bo= th the gismu relation itself, and each of the gismu places, to a specific W= ordnet synset and Wikipedia article URL.

Wordnet s= earch is at wordnet.princet= on.edu

Please make sure the wordnet "sh= ow database locations" option is selected, and provide the number from the = braces. The dbpedia entity can just be the wikipedia page URL.
e.= g.:
dunda {02199590} http://en.wiki...

On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 12:00:58PM -0500, Brian D. Eubanks wrote:<= br>
Hi Alan,

<= span>Thanks for your response and the crowdsourcing idea, and for linking &= nbsp;
to Jorne. As y= ou suspected, I did only receive one or two inquiries  
about the linking effort.

I like your idea of splitting a Wordnet linking= project into specific  
chunks, each one centered around a group of related concepts. I &= nbsp;
discovered a v= ery old mapping of gismu to Roget codes, which could be  
a starting point. I think I need= to make this process super easy and  
painless if I expect anyone to get involved.=

What if I created some web pages that would a= llow Lojban experts to  
pick a gismu, then select related Wordnet or dbpedia entries from= a  
list, and = automatically save it to a database?

We= could then make the jorne web service accept Lojban text, and  
respond with related refe= rences from the Linked Data cloud. With this,  
you can follow that data to English and ot= her Wordnets, Library of  
Congress subject headings, wikipedia/dbpedia, and the rest of t= he  
Linked Dat= a "cloud".
The Semantic Web conference = was fantastic! It was overwhelming, but in  
a "too many sessions and not enough time" sor= t of way. The latest  
tools are amazing, and adoption is reaching a critical mass. I am &= nbsp;
considering su= bmitting a talk for Semtech 2011 on why Lojban would  
work well with the semantic web. Th= e due date is Monday, so I better  
get cracking on it ASAP. Wish me luck!

As far as source code for my simple parse tree service= , it's a real  
hack right now, but I will clean it up a little and put it on the  
jorne sourceforge.

Last year I had intended to get more invo= lved in this, but ran out of  
time to work on it. Now that there seems to be some interes= t from both  
y= ou and Oren, and others, it's time to make this a reality.

Are you offering to own the farm animal words? (asking = rather  
sheepi= shly...) ;-)
=

I will do farm animal words.  = I'm not 100% sure what you need.
Taking a stab, I can start= with the things you list above, would you
like to be speci= fic about what you need or are you happy with my
being crea= tive in delivering it?

-Alan
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