From lojban+bncCLr6ktCfBBDFkbfpBBoEbFdmpg@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 12 07:29:29 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pd2dU-0001mo-6p; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:28 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf549563yxn.16 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=APWve7NaHkCZRX8tXEO1l8891fBgti8HD+8ulbQovpY=; b=bFpYuEA0G2bYrgL2Nkqcm86Dn+4wUS7q47QaTHp+2EAgfc4tHmUo1ugM02eVckGC+W Y6msIt7W7HGBD8SMK3gEGbx4S48vI0m98OmCLkoxMhsHWhMl/S76VCg5bzhxFEcHByVY BOKkxk/VWNDXfIBSDgDXJzTwG7xvkm6GpLNN0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=6MFMtEPqBg3z3yFvL9X99Q36lNRJJcnT34XT+kPE6xRv6mnSLaZRMSlJU+Q4BpiwBV JuscA611SXBDqupaGngPxEovg2oLBoGstcXTsgzwW6TEZYWv9tNrIaApJFdM78tq04Ku /VRQLrnJefvIXxmQ5Iy3vLgUNcZ2gIjtHjXYo= Received: by 10.151.19.1 with SMTP id w1mr165478ybi.73.1294846149515; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls813811ibk.3.p; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.20.68 with SMTP id e4mr804375ibb.1.1294846148702; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.20.68 with SMTP id e4mr804374ibb.1.1294846148652; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cu19si193106ibb.5.2011.01.12.07.29.08; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.171 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.210.171; Received: by mail-iy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 21so694784iyj.2 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.145.68 with SMTP id c4mr1133595ibv.47.1294846148336; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy41sm722366ibb.11.2011.01.12.07.29.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:29:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:29:02 -0700 From: ".alyn.post." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban Wordnet Message-ID: <20110112152902.GB866@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110106204534.GF27821@alice.local> <20110106190925.10456l4s2t3z3808@www.kattare.com> <20110107130904.GB30364@alice.local> <20110108120058.16067ej75zl85v48@www.kattare.com> <20110111035733.GB37923@alice.local> <44DC0A08-7892-4DA3-8B75-A501EFF4153C@buildsoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44DC0A08-7892-4DA3-8B75-A501EFF4153C@buildsoftware.com> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.171 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline I've created a rough outline for this effort. I'm going to need to create some lujvo to handle the full semantic space: I promise you there is a relevant difference between a rooster and a hen if you're handling livestock, and jipci won't work in the context where that difference in important. I'm insanely unhappy with the defined word mamjipci, because motherhood is not a precondition for being a hen (egg layer) and there is a mother-like process hens go through called being broody, during which time they don't lay eggs. I've got to clean all of that up, enter new data in jbovlaste, and return to you both gismu and some lujvo. I'll work on it it bits here and there, and toss over the simplest thing that could possibly work. I'm going to be adding the data to my own website as well, which will require effort not directly related to your deliverable, but which is nevertheless important to me. Thank you! -Alan On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:00:40AM -0500, Brian D. Eubanks wrote: > Alan, > I changed the subject line to more easily follow this effort. > Creativity in delivery is fine. The main thing is to associate both the > gismu relation itself, and each of the gismu places, to a specific Wordnet > synset and Wikipedia article URL. > Wordnet search is at [1]wordnet.princeton.edu > Please make sure the wordnet "show database locations" option is selected, > and provide the number from the braces. The dbpedia entity can just be the > wikipedia page URL. > e.g.: > dunda {02199590} [2]http://en.wiki... > dunda1 {10025730} http... > dunda2 {13265011} http... > dunda3 {09627906} http... > I'll do any necessary data conversion and formatting if it's reasonably > clear what each correlation is. > Thanks, > Brian Eubanks > On Jan 10, 2011, at 10:57 PM, ".alyn.post." > <[3]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 12:00:58PM -0500, Brian D. Eubanks wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > Thanks for your response and the crowdsourcing idea, and for linking > > to Jorne. As you suspected, I did only receive one or two inquiries > > about the linking effort. > > I like your idea of splitting a Wordnet linking project into specific > > > chunks, each one centered around a group of related concepts. I > > discovered a very old mapping of gismu to Roget codes, which could be > > > a starting point. I think I need to make this process super easy and > > painless if I expect anyone to get involved. > > What if I created some web pages that would allow Lojban experts to > > pick a gismu, then select related Wordnet or dbpedia entries from a > > list, and automatically save it to a database? > > We could then make the jorne web service accept Lojban text, and > > respond with related references from the Linked Data cloud. With this, > > > you can follow that data to English and other Wordnets, Library of > > Congress subject headings, wikipedia/dbpedia, and the rest of the > > Linked Data "cloud". > > The Semantic Web conference was fantastic! It was overwhelming, but in > > > a "too many sessions and not enough time" sort of way. The latest > > tools are amazing, and adoption is reaching a critical mass. I am > > considering submitting a talk for Semtech 2011 on why Lojban would > > work well with the semantic web. The due date is Monday, so I better > > get cracking on it ASAP. Wish me luck! > > As far as source code for my simple parse tree service, it's a real > > hack right now, but I will clean it up a little and put it on the > > jorne sourceforge. > > Last year I had intended to get more involved in this, but ran out of > > > time to work on it. Now that there seems to be some interest from both > > > you and Oren, and others, it's time to make this a reality. > > Are you offering to own the farm animal words? (asking rather > > sheepishly...) ;-) > > I will do farm animal words. I'm not 100% sure what you need. > Taking a stab, I can start with the things you list above, would you > like to be specific about what you need or are you happy with my > being creative in delivering it? > -Alan > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to [4]lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [5]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > [6]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > References > > Visible links > 1. http://wordnet.princeton.edu/ > 2. http://en.wiki/ > 3. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > 4. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > 5. mailto:lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > 6. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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