From lojban+bncCK30vq5WELLvt-kEGgR4bL_9@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 12 10:49:37 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pd5lF-0005vI-QX; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:49:37 -0800 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf85479pvh.16 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:49:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=YaUHAHpbtXMe+gypMh+WfGuPLt5NoU071zDQ9kT/ERw=; b=01TD2M253kVZ+XLP0FuO292UqedI6ypi4Pp6wGPgO40yG7ktYIuPEggcJ4bFY6Qi7F FP/YyrooMbsva37RZSSW+I8FmjTqrF8pIHD57nd1OpJJs7ky3Zww4LYp5RllhUthPm0b sMFuz0SYEhMk89dLGTJ+NG8Fv+/SFKZQIGQO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=QbKFlfyYg58z1GIhgPIEZsaTpR+fbCSgeCDOCJ4Bbcr0ci8LMerFh5x6R1Hk40flDV 7lfnaSF6Z+qpqiYx929cmtko3rXrIGW4jetu4xo3AdzxVAyZPziY6wjwnWQn0AVDoKHX K9qPsZZDvD3AKSUiS7A54RqUOwqnlXfsX6RzM= Received: by 10.142.125.1 with SMTP id x1mr24717wfc.58.1294858162923; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:49:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.97.18 with SMTP id u18ls1116089wfb.2.p; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.172.17 with SMTP id u17mr130033wfe.58.1294858162078; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.172.17 with SMTP id u17mr130032wfe.58.1294858162059; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p40si1053842wfc.2.2011.01.12.10.49.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pd5l3-0005uS-6b for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:49:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:49:21 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] any-word-SA-handling clarification Message-ID: <20110112184918.GP2132@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110112141124.GA866@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110112141124.GA866@alice.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:11:24AM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote: > The Lojban PEG grammar has the following production: > > any-word-SA-handling <- BRIVLA-pre > / known-cmavo-SA > / !known-cmavo-pre > CMAVO-pre > / CMENE-pre > > This is the only production which uses known-cmavo-SA, > known-cmavo-pre, and CMAVO-pre. I'm trying to determine how these > productions interact, but these rules intersect the morphology > interface in camxes, and I would appreciate help understanding > them. Good luck. -_- The *goal* is to match http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Magic+Words , IIRC. It's really complicated. The design there is to match any word, but also to slurp SA clauses. SA, as used there, only affects cmavo; [selma'o] ... SA [same selma'o] == one cmavo of that selma'o. So, the idea is that "any word" means a brivla, a cmevla, an unknown cmavo, or a cmavo with any such SA structures ignored. > known-cmavo-SA includes a *-pre rule for every selma'o. It doesn't > include a rule for CMAVO-pre, hich would match any cmavo not > classified into a selma'o by the morphology (like la'oi). Exactly; that's not how SA works. That's what "!known-cmavo-pre CMAVO-pre" does. Let me know if that doesn't solve the confusion described in the rest of the email. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.