From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDH3bjpBBoExzQ64Q@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 12 14:44:40 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pd9Qi-0003z2-Gr; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:40 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf1290743wyb.16 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eyvfVfxkSoS52QZd9KhzzOlLfIhJ0XTK+mXC1Huf4Jg=; b=jwZVlo/nNLVOiFC3l+PKdkYTqTKd9odMfWKecoouxVWtwoJn1/EN/CgdDVKm9bwRa2 p4uDKDr2YK8bEH/yRK9fCMy4ZYZgTzwT7SVBRMKEBdGEMnDbqlFoQztbSk3Ob/Jom8F/ 49qL+/fAadFMuUmdSeZZWQjOPWP9qV+NOSSbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Q51fttphIrMUNvFQCmXTwUAsgZ0nXygMJ+CHRC17J9PClU+TW1u4dAEomvd+1xqQQD XOanxGFXmKP5mHPUTz4ZO1OY961p7EoQJbHNwZPPXEbcOnDZeSZ80pZp1zV2DeBIO3EY Lfg1A5/kV9BWBfpI8XV+qej7M6LeGOs9VGtUQ= Received: by 10.216.187.201 with SMTP id y51mr376006wem.24.1294872263374; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.208.4 with SMTP id p4ls497297weo.2.p; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.179.75 with SMTP id g53mr108737wem.1.1294872261267; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.179.75 with SMTP id g53mr108736wem.1.1294872261209; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f43.google.com (mail-ww0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l26si144583weq.6.2011.01.12.14.44.20; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.43; Received: by mail-ww0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 17so1056228wwi.24 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.198.198 with SMTP id ep6mr1577042wbb.202.1294872260000; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.72 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:44:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110112184918.GP2132@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110112141124.GA866@alice.local> <20110112184918.GP2132@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:44:19 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] any-word-SA-handling clarification From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:11:24AM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote: >> The Lojban PEG grammar has the following production: >> >> any-word-SA-handling <- BRIVLA-pre >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / known-cmavo-SA >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / !known-cmavo-pre >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 CMAVO-pre >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / CMENE-pre >> >> This is the only production which uses known-cmavo-SA, >> known-cmavo-pre, and CMAVO-pre. =A0I'm trying to determine how these >> productions interact, but these rules intersect the morphology >> interface in camxes, and I would appreciate help understanding >> them. > > Good luck. =A0-_- > > The *goal* is to match > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DMagic+Words , IIRC. > It's really complicated. > > The design there is to match any word, but also to slurp SA clauses. > SA, as used there, only affects cmavo; [selma'o] ... SA [same > selma'o] =3D=3D one cmavo of that selma'o. That was your original version, but then you changed it. Now SA does something different, it doesn't just look at the selma'o of the following word, but at a whole following structure. Either way it's a big mess. We really should think seriously about SA at some point, and either make something sensible with it or just drop it. It's no wonder that anyone will be confused by rules that have to do with SA because they were written for one version and then sort of adapted to something else. I believe Alan is correct that the current any-word-SA-handling rule contains unnecessary fluff for the current version. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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