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To: Lojban List Subject: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU? Message-ID: <20110113024007.GE1262@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: Lojban List Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.160.178 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline I'm trying to make sense of various statements about Magic Words on the wiki: (BAhE, even though it can modify any word, is not a magic word, because it doesn't affect the function of the word it modifies)[1] BAhE marks the following word but does not change its nature, and does not bind with it.[1] BAhE marks the following word but does not change its nature. The construct behaves just as that word by itself.[2] What does BAhE+BU do? * Just empasizes the BU.[2] * I understand {bu} by itself to be ungrammatical. * I *think* the above implies that {ba'e bu} is an emphasized {bu}, but I also would expect it to be ungrammatical, because {bu} alone is. Adding the ba'e shouldn't matter. * I would expect {.alyn. ba'e bu} to be the same as {.alyn. bu} but emphasizing the {bu}-ness of the phrase. What am I misundertanding? The phrases describing {ba'e} are quite unclear to me, and they seem a bit contradictory (which could be because the phrases are coming from documents with different opinions on the matter.) -Alan 1: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Magic+Words 2: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Magic+Words+Alternatives -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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