From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCxmrzpBBoEh486aA@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 13 06:33:38 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PdOF2-0005iH-MJ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:37 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf2327107vws.16 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vuDtqwHW0yBWEjvI5a00PlMkkBOOFfYfhGGhJByNs0o=; b=5FDGtjNP7+3TbYafRLopJrQ+rtm/W7ezg6WFWbPlHuU90YP+13c6CB9tCTby93Ljoj 8zKCfGacau+iYQKiuwSRIndNg0MmmDrE7TXx5JK832CEOzmnjCorgqifDQtsV6BBvmTK JweWOI/m+ZHgW7k1IBRl9Vqy9ahSh9293YZL8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=moN2reAbfUMUYKNFtm4Wx0QLsXzJhmZeRdDSUqnnRlCJR9EIkFp79c0JsMW8lOkNeQ 8gTfeLfteBoJkKYfuqt87bPnUaz+3ye767rOUVwLrTWwMqxe/JlZT25N4Ff6rLHvrjcN j/5VyrkepCxTMnjdEhTRC2K9iIK4QnmJmeWsk= Received: by 10.220.178.67 with SMTP id bl3mr153734vcb.25.1294929201785; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:21 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.161.1 with SMTP id p1ls22100vcx.4.p; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.200.65 with SMTP id ev1mr1424083vcb.0.1294929200766; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.200.65 with SMTP id ev1mr1424082vcb.0.1294929200746; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com (mail-qy0-f176.google.com [209.85.216.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t10si10245vcc.3.2011.01.13.06.33.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.176; Received: by mail-qy0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 10so1828126qyk.0 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.95.200 with SMTP id e8mr2041120qcn.213.1294929199538; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:33:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110113024007.GE1262@alice.local> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But the problem is that je'u, like pe'a, is a UI, they modify what comes BEFORE them. Ba'e works the opposite way, it marks the NEXT single word. --gy On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I can't speak for others, but I'd read {ba'e pe'a} as something similar t= o > {je'u pe'a} as in "this is REALLY figurative, there is NO literal compone= nt > to what I'm saying". > Maybe used in one of those conversations like "so, a .... friend of mine = is > having this problem..." > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> 2011/1/13 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:40 PM, .alyn.post. >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> =A0What does BAhE+BU do? >> > [...] >> >> =A0The phrases describing {ba'e} are quite >> >> unclear to me, and they seem a bit contradictory (which could be >> >> because the phrases are coming from documents with different >> >> opinions on the matter.) >> > >> > Exactly. There are two options for BAhE BU, both can be defended, and >> > until we have an grammar there is no definitive official answer. >> > (According to the current PEG it appears to be an emphasized BU, not a >> > converted BAhE.) >> > >> > mu'o mi'e xorxes >> > >> =A0...although ISTM that a symbol meaning "ba'e" (i.e. a ba'ebu) might >> be a more (ba'e) useful thing to have in the language than an >> emphasized bu. =A0I'm still mystified by the meaning of ba'e pe'a, >> personally... >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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