From lojban+bncCLr6ktCfBBDkr7zpBBoEw8Wbjg@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 13 07:19:16 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PdOxD-0002ZZ-7s; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:19:16 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf1351707gyb.16 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:19:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=flD/eCEP4QAJUlsTjOA/7s5ZuEYdsCI9t49ujYH8TWQ=; b=10F84yaUIKO55zZM1Q511OGrU/T6sV1liBgW6jsKeLZbqZaPa9s+Zb+9mP/dVINalZ mkiQp+g02Pnh+Lth3bwMSr4NWyjteYJbcSOHFN51oO+Kc3H8AAq21V6Gu+Ww90Kagpua XSRE8XtmZmyjalhh70NbCqkTgQY9ZXj3xZWxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=C5uQJ4L3pNA3AIYIpyvYkCZaFlEGRWUq1pKhNedliWSM7T//UwedG9mb/ngdmxjj7N CT46nY1nC9X+3/BmkbhGM6D1rYSnKWJ5mW8OMeuUMyl6Jyxkja5MXSmcsrfFL7oMzBK/ erP/a4Tj85rCvT+GMl2zTLXwQBzzMOOWQKv8U= Received: by 10.100.142.15 with SMTP id p15mr71976and.50.1294931940452; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:19:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.197.14 with SMTP id u14ls1152269ybf.7.p; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.147.35.18 with SMTP id n18mr441554yaj.9.1294931939582; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.147.35.18 with SMTP id n18mr441553yaj.9.1294931939564; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yi0-f46.google.com (mail-yi0-f46.google.com [209.85.218.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c30si50305anc.9.2011.01.13.07.18.59; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.218.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.218.46; Received: by yib18 with SMTP id 18so849733yib.19 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.100.2 with SMTP id c2mr3985669ybm.113.1294931938983; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v7sm65228ybe.3.2011.01.13.07.18.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:18:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:18:53 -0700 From: ".alyn.post." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU? Message-ID: <20110113151853.GA2719@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110113024007.GE1262@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.218.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 09:08:55AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:40 PM, .alyn.post. > wrote: > > > > =A0What does BAhE+BU do? > [...] > > =A0The phrases describing {ba'e} are quite > > unclear to me, and they seem a bit contradictory (which could be > > because the phrases are coming from documents with different > > opinions on the matter.) >=20 > Exactly. There are two options for BAhE BU, both can be defended, and > until we have an grammar there is no definitive official answer. > (According to the current PEG it appears to be an emphasized BU, not a > converted BAhE.) >=20 My understanding of what the PEG grammar currently does is consider ba'e bu to be a letteral, and not an emphasized BU. If it was an emphasized bu, {ba'e bu} shouldn't parse and {.alyn. ba'e bu} should be the letteral .alyn., neither of which are PEG-true. I'm totally happy for {ba'e bu} to be a letteral. If it is, the Magic Words page should just say that. If this is a contest, I would rather {ba'e bu} be an emphasized {bu} and we (I) should fix the parser to handle it that way. -Alan --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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