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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU? Message-ID: <20110113160220.GB2719@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110113024007.GE1262@alice.local> <20110113151853.GA2719@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:29:11AM -0500, Craig Daniel wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:18 AM, .alyn.post. > wrote: > > > > My understanding of what the PEG grammar currently does is consider > > ba'e bu to be a letteral, and not an emphasized BU. =A0If it was an > > emphasized bu, {ba'e bu} shouldn't parse and {.alyn. ba'e bu} should > > be the letteral .alyn., neither of which are PEG-true. > > > > I'm totally happy for {ba'e bu} to be a letteral. =A0If it is, the Magi= c > > Words page should just say that. > > > > If this is a contest, I would rather {ba'e bu} be an emphasized {bu} > > and we (I) should fix the parser to handle it that way. >=20 > There's certainly a case to be made that magic words should be > processed first, in which case BAhE+BU is a letteral. On the other > hand, things tend to bind left-to-right (UI mark things to the left, > but don't actually bind with them); if magic words are not handled > first, then BAhE+BU ought to be emphasizing the BU. >=20 > I don't believe there is an official answer to this, but I'm in favor > of magic words first, then left to right. That is, ba'ebu is a > letteral, zoi si uses si as a delimiter (this part is unamibiguously > and I believe officially correct; magic words go left to right), and > ba'e pe'a emphasizes the figurativeness. >=20 I see now that my proposal requires BAhE to be like Y--that is a meta-rule for magic words processing. Other that a statement I insufficiently understand on the Magic Words page, I believe your comment here matches both the PEG parser and the Magic Words page. That's certainly good enough for me, I'll add a clarifying note to the Magic Words page and consider myself satisfied with the current behavior. mu'o ki'e .kreig. mi'e .alyn. -Alan --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.