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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language Message-ID: <20110104215352.GA23807@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.214.180 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline I think you answered your own question, in that Lojban is incomplete, and completing it requires more effort, which can be had by generating interest, which can be had by generating attention. Only a percentage of people in the community will work to complete the language, and the community consists only of those who spend time in it, which is a subset of those who are interested, which is a subset of those who have heard about it. There are ~500 subscribers to this mailing list, of which maybe 2 dozen regularly post. I don't have any reason to believe that this is atypical, in that you don't see an increase in direct participation without an increase in silent participants and everything else leading up to that. tl;dr: Lojban isn't going to finish itself. ;-) -Alan On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 04:43:43PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote: > I never understood that idea. If I were a serial killer I wouldn't want > any press. > And there is at least 1 good reason for lojban being an auxlang (at least > at some point in the future after it's been completed). One of the design > goals was cultural neutrality. Not many conlangs and certainly no natlangs > have been designed with that in mind I think. > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Oren <[1]get.oren@gmail.com> wrote: > > But any press is good press >D > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 15:57, Lindar <[2]lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I'm -not- going to vote for lojban. It has not been and definitely > isn't now a candidate auxlang. If it -does- get upvoted, people are > going to ask why it would make a good auxlang, and we can give no > legitimate response because it wouldn't be. Personally, I don't want > hundreds of douchebags every day asking why we're the best auxlang and > asking why we think we're better than $popular_auxlang. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to [3]lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [4]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > [5]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > Oren Robinson > (315) 569-2888 > 102 Morrison Ave > Somerville, MA 02144 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to [6]lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [7]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > [8]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:get.oren@gmail.com > 2. mailto:lindarthebard@yahoo.com > 3. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > 4. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > 5. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > 6. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > 7. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > 8. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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