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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU? Message-ID: <20110113201519.GD2939@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110113024007.GE1262@alice.local> <20110113193746.GB2132@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110113193746.GB2132@digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.51 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37:46AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:40:07PM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote: > > I'm trying to make sense of various statements about Magic Words on > > the wiki: > > > > (BAhE, even though it can modify any word, is not a magic word, > > because it doesn't affect the function of the word it modifies)[1] > > I wonder what would happen if I simply declared by fiat that ba'e is > deprecated, and you should use ge'e or another UI instead (since > AFAICT they have exactly the same "meaning" (or, rather, lack of > meaning)), and in 2 years if no insurmountable problems are found > it'll be removed from the grammar? > > This strikes me as about the largest change I could make without > immediately being tossed out on my ass. -_- > > -Robin > I knew someone working on a paper whose thesis was "When did the US commit to using atomic weapons in WWII?" She was trying to identify what moment the US irrevocably committed to droping an atomic bomb. She concluded that the moment the Manhattan Project began the US committed to using atomic weapons. That you couldn't start a project of that magnitude, succeed in developing a bomb, and then not use it. Like Chekhov's gun, I believe. Given that you were granted benevolent dictator powers, it seems a shame to let it go to waste. -Alan -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.