From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCMv73pBBoEabQtdQ@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 13 12:25:08 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PdTjA-00050K-Hy; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:25:08 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf1012964ywh.16 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XgzEZSodEC7Zw8swtTGW1dzILmH/TEJnc8boi0LiSbc=; b=uVq1HCuaFCe03xbYs50JEoQe/sJizTNRv4QInrbmnCPRaFs332oZXSJRzwUP3eWq6Y 3tCF4ksn7OO5Rx/9eU1YTVHhCrwPTfZP2YuP+ien9knjx1+nRswTti9VT+SMikWsvHoB W7Tfk0H+XZSF0DCSaa3VHPnEIPhDf0sQlUmEo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=iqSKuX3VHbEIdVhvCdI+Dxc8aWbyrenw29NsZoCFMPx6wH0ENjyzNficfH4tQi1jqu BjSPsSEXcNCH80We3E7DR9rUBuMOPbVR45Z7Gj8xiUcNxWlfdXtEJnMdZ15eLrGDLYFJ q3cgsxLa7lUJuBUwZMYtU2wCQzsAMoWbaP4gc= Received: by 10.151.115.19 with SMTP id s19mr14110ybm.26.1294950284958; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls2014491ibh.0.p; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.224.9 with SMTP id im9mr412200icb.17.1294950284254; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.224.9 with SMTP id im9mr412199icb.17.1294950284224; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c4si54404ict.0.2011.01.13.12.24.43; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.171; Received: by iyj21 with SMTP id 21so1924681iyj.30 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.199.19 with SMTP id eq19mr2842553ibb.175.1294950283060; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.148 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110113201519.GD2939@alice.local> References: <20110113024007.GE1262@alice.local> <20110113193746.GB2132@digitalkingdom.org> <20110113201519.GD2939@alice.local> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53a6ae9fa75a0499c01b3e --90e6ba53a6ae9fa75a0499c01b3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, so let's say we DO throw {ba'e valsi} out and replace it with {valsi ge'e}... which UI would you use for emphasis like "I didn't go to the STORE. I went to SCHOOL"? {mi na klama ba'e lo zarci .i mi klama ba'e lo ckule}. {je'u} maybe? On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, .alyn.post. wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37:46AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:40:07PM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote: > > > I'm trying to make sense of various statements about Magic Words on > > > the wiki: > > > > > > (BAhE, even though it can modify any word, is not a magic word, > > > because it doesn't affect the function of the word it modifies)[1] > > > > I wonder what would happen if I simply declared by fiat that ba'e is > > deprecated, and you should use ge'e or another UI instead (since > > AFAICT they have exactly the same "meaning" (or, rather, lack of > > meaning)), and in 2 years if no insurmountable problems are found > > it'll be removed from the grammar? > > > > This strikes me as about the largest change I could make without > > immediately being tossed out on my ass. -_- > > > > -Robin > > > > I knew someone working on a paper whose thesis was "When did the US > commit to using atomic weapons in WWII?" She was trying to identify > what moment the US irrevocably committed to droping an atomic bomb. > > She concluded that the moment the Manhattan Project began the US > committed to using atomic weapons. That you couldn't start a > project of that magnitude, succeed in developing a bomb, and then > not use it. > > Like Chekhov's gun, I believe. Given that you were granted > benevolent dictator powers, it seems a shame to let it go to waste. > > -Alan > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --90e6ba53a6ae9fa75a0499c01b3e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, so let's say we DO throw {ba'e valsi} out and replace it with {= valsi ge'e}... which UI would you use for emphasis like "I didn= 9;t go to the STORE. =A0I went to SCHOOL"? =A0{mi na klama ba'e lo= zarci .i mi klama ba'e lo ckule}. =A0{je'u} maybe?

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, .alyn.post.= <al= yn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37:46AM -0800, Robin Lee Powel= l wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:40:07PM -0700, .aly= n.post. wrote:
> > I'm trying to make sense of various statements about Magic Wo= rds on
> > the wiki:
> >
> > =A0 (BAhE, even though it can modify any word, is not a magic wor= d,
> > =A0 because it doesn't affect the function of the word it mod= ifies)[1]
>
> I wonder what would happen if I simply declared by fiat that ba'e = is
> deprecated, and you should use ge'e or another UI instead (since > AFAICT they have exactly the same "meaning" (or, rather, lac= k of
> meaning)), and in 2 years if no insurmountable problems are found
> it'll be removed from the grammar?
>
> This strikes me as about the largest change I could make without
> immediately being tossed out on my ass. -_-
>
> -Robin
>

I knew someone working on a paper whose thesis was "When did the= US
commit to using atomic weapons in WWII?" =A0She was trying to identify=
what moment the US irrevocably committed to droping an atomic bomb.

She concluded that the moment the Manhattan Project began the US
committed to using atomic weapons. =A0That you couldn't start a
project of that magnitude, succeed in developing a bomb, and then
not use it.

Like Chekhov's gun, I believe. =A0Given that you were granted
benevolent dictator powers, it seems a shame to let it go to waste.

-Alan
--
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi

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