From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEJXBvekEGgQ0E2OR@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 13 12:29:24 2011 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PdTnL-0000iA-VS; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:23 -0800 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf222264pxi.16 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=JtQswRyaWz58u9K4fLar2yOs5pCfeCmCU0pWVDgGKzk=; b=EXZBfe50IJl1kHQfhft3L7R9cPGr+JA8suj3fB1XynnCOdDvMqqXHrAeU5XQObIGOb 6Z4OSjChfzq7o3PJYoWAuIpPJzGBlvv+uKUT8pMwfkI5/A4eGpL8qPTrbvbGsodx3GBt CQI3rJkqECQ5Pfk46T3iyizrAzCktaoD+uHH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=k927YkOluZYTH4XOKHUJmfxLfesxLbGAR0SFd9Lbdw8qg/tAdwzpKXsCl1spghZ/9M m/MQVNd94xkghS0s1a5iT7+1wVx4Gb6U0XyTZeUeZt6W2JI2tFTv4JGxcqcQqgH/Ch/M +kK6w3kkRQle9caa/BSc1MIjseUJyDjbQC4yo= Received: by 10.142.240.13 with SMTP id n13mr2713wfh.5.1294950549365; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.97.18 with SMTP id u18ls2451949wfb.2.p; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.126.15 with SMTP id y15mr7447wfc.37.1294950547656; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.126.15 with SMTP id y15mr7446wfc.37.1294950547633; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w13si471493wfh.3.2011.01.13.12.29.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PdTn8-0000aF-BH for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:06 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:06 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU? Message-ID: <20110113202905.GH2132@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110113024007.GE1262@alice.local> <20110113193746.GB2132@digitalkingdom.org> <20110113201519.GD2939@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Well, {ge'e} being exactly that was my point there; {ba'e} is *very* generic emphasis. As far as I can tell it's actually pretty un-Lojbanic; it seems to mean "I'd verbally empasize this if I was speaking English". je'u works; {.o'o cu'i} works, others. -Robin On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 03:24:43PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote: > Ok, so let's say we DO throw {ba'e valsi} out and replace it with > {valsi ge'e}... which UI would you use for emphasis like "I didn't > go to the STORE. I went to SCHOOL"? {mi na klama ba'e lo zarci .i > mi klama ba'e lo ckule}. {je'u} maybe? > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, .alyn.post. > wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37:46AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:40:07PM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote: > > > > I'm trying to make sense of various statements about Magic Words on > > > > the wiki: > > > > > > > > (BAhE, even though it can modify any word, is not a magic word, > > > > because it doesn't affect the function of the word it modifies)[1] > > > > > > I wonder what would happen if I simply declared by fiat that ba'e is > > > deprecated, and you should use ge'e or another UI instead (since > > > AFAICT they have exactly the same "meaning" (or, rather, lack of > > > meaning)), and in 2 years if no insurmountable problems are found > > > it'll be removed from the grammar? > > > > > > This strikes me as about the largest change I could make without > > > immediately being tossed out on my ass. -_- > > > > > > -Robin > > > > > > > I knew someone working on a paper whose thesis was "When did the US > > commit to using atomic weapons in WWII?" She was trying to identify > > what moment the US irrevocably committed to droping an atomic bomb. > > > > She concluded that the moment the Manhattan Project began the US > > committed to using atomic weapons. That you couldn't start a > > project of that magnitude, succeed in developing a bomb, and then > > not use it. > > > > Like Chekhov's gun, I believe. Given that you were granted > > benevolent dictator powers, it seems a shame to let it go to waste. > > > > -Alan > > -- > > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.