From lojban+bncCO2N0YfCFhCJyL3pBBoEyrLkvw@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 13 12:44:07 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PdU1b-0003Yx-Ni; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:44:07 -0800 Received: by qyl38 with SMTP id 38sf4429147qyl.16 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:43:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-originating-ip :message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1XkrSUjD5WxjHiCJqngq3VcPk8v3ALC9ELGwRRKUSDc=; b=RdnqdWWEQoVolWpytfGJYU4qs9IHJjD74HY12D++ygy3obp3ZSTNnFuT47xibmety/ 94zr/Di7wsFG3b74Xd8VeH20kFl2te2W0vAaTU4qExmg+kpaHSAKSRL593+xcmj74MM+ cfnHmOdqHjLpJF2/JXOskHZnNbsdUpBK3onFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-originating-ip:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=oqDalgSn6qW8avQE8A1oIb5RRQJnblJsCKiTWeW1HiW/250fZIyTDtRVY6suOiJLYL Wwg4UYUzRvRt2x6/twYe/GjQw7avtfK6aOhYQhpzE4oF4SvvciIeu0AuuZ4lk9BMFYZw 9q+B4n7kZ/GvYibX3Rjp19A1WQYAqRlRieANg= Received: by 10.229.183.141 with SMTP id cg13mr119490qcb.30.1294951433390; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:43:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.195.134 with SMTP id ec6ls724695qcb.2.p; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.68.10 with SMTP id t10mr394013qci.25.1294951432610; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.68.10 with SMTP id t10mr394012qci.25.1294951432420; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from kcout02.prserv.net (kcout02.prserv.net [12.154.55.32]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y9si101481qcc.4.2011.01.13.12.43.52; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 12.154.55.32 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) client-ip=12.154.55.32; Received: from [ipv6:::1] (linode.feoh.org[97.107.130.119]) by prserv.net (kcout02) with SMTP id <20110113204005202003qi9se> (Authid: usinet.kpreid); Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:40:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [97.107.130.119] Message-Id: From: Kevin Reid To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <20110113202905.GH2132@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:40:01 -0500 References: <20110113024007.GE1262@alice.local> <20110113193746.GB2132@digitalkingdom.org> <20110113201519.GD2939@alice.local> <20110113202905.GH2132@digitalkingdom.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Original-Sender: kpreid@switchb.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 12.154.55.32 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) smtp.mail=kpreid@switchb.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Jan 13, 2011, at 15:29, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Well, {ge'e} being exactly that was my point there; {ba'e} is *very* > generic emphasis. As far as I can tell it's actually pretty > un-Lojbanic; it seems to mean "I'd verbally empasize this if I was > speaking English". > > je'u works; {.o'o cu'i} works, others. (This is my first comment on this topic.) I first saw the relevant meaning of emphasis as "This is the part of my utterance which is actually interesting, as opposed to being required for context and grammar." Which neither of your suggestions really conveys. I now note that this is almost-but-not-quite {bi'u} or possibly {jo'a}. If I were making arbitrary changes, I would keep ba'e as a word, but move all of BAhE (ba'e and za'e) into UI3a next to {bi'u}, thus simplifying the grammar. What you lose is the ability to emphasize (not important) or mark as nonce (possibly very important) a member of UI, since you can't modify a UI with a UI (right?). -- Kevin Reid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.