From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCqro7pBBoECcp5xA@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 04 13:55:05 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PaEqK-0002sr-F1; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:55:05 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf51135180qwd.16 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:54:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=V0Qh45E5K0UdYXbYgMl2xq+n+hxOwaQc6rNgB+aUTyU=; b=Jl5UonjfI7t5XhUPOFrYygA3dDKirDIOPHyisZMxB9QUEzd2pUM7sEsE10FNP1J/L8 BXC9R2FzQWxT/+Ffolyt7ec2XEGDm4ALfbtjwbfCTAtqIYg260Ou9OZxZQdK/QQX144N WucfQ91N1pk5rwav4EmNec8eaqrlfSj4B5FkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=48EziQAbKqRex2FE2l7jv1JVWfC++ZN4V3m1aUyz7MH+FreWZTJJzXVsaUYDU+hseZ MoyfHeeHQ5a97ka4pwu/CQ12dngfYN7Dvi7pXrBjCpI+znwc/YtPnf7UsG1F7XCR11t6 ZGYm4z0BrRLDj1SvVgp9pDYyILkAYHu5UJK14= Received: by 10.229.14.143 with SMTP id g15mr3088876qca.5.1294178090423; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:54:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls6140766qck.0.p; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.95.80 with SMTP id c16mr435036qcn.5.1294178089679; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.95.80 with SMTP id c16mr435035qcn.5.1294178089640; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s6si4126067qco.5.2011.01.04.13.54.48; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:54:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.54; Received: by mail-qw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 9so16153385qwj.41 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:54:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.231.9 with SMTP id jo9mr19821248qcb.201.1294178088471; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:54:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.227.73 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:54:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f3233d4c5d04990c5102 --00163630f3233d4c5d04990c5102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > And there is at least 1 good reason for lojban being an auxlang (at least > at some point in the future after it's been completed). One of the design > goals was cultural neutrality. Not many conlangs and certainly no natlangs > have been designed with that in mind I think > To me, what is more important is that IT WORKS! Many conlangs are just more or less simplified "copies" of natural language or they are just toy languages and can't really match the expressiveness of natural languages. Lojban seems to be the only conlang that is *completely" different from any natural language and still can be used for human communication. The problem we have, I think, is that we have been given a too much powerful language that we are still no able to handle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00163630f3233d4c5d04990c5102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gma= il.com> wrote:

And there is at least 1 g= ood reason for lojban being an auxlang (at least at some point in the futur= e after it's been completed). =A0One of the design goals was cultural n= eutrality. =A0Not many conlangs and certainly no natlangs have been designe= d with that in mind I think


To me, what is more important is that IT WORKS!Many conlangs are just more or less simplified "copies" of natu= ral language or they=A0 are just toy languages and can't really match t= he expressiveness of natural languages.

Lojban seems to be the only conlang that is *completely" different= from any natural language and still can be used for human communication.
The problem we have, I think, is that we have been given a too much p= owerful language that we are still no able to handle.



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