From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDOvo7pBBoEegk9qw@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 04 14:29:48 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PaFNw-0002t2-8Q; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:29:48 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf14008339ywh.16 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:29:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eON4oTBup/FEpfkWkKFrTgCBS+7mex4K+4syfr+CaPA=; b=KxgdQsDcWAhtUOSuxlXV46jealM7vQPD7622te5uGX7VtDI7p+3uNJfpsPdv0uL3NL QrCv4UvXW2Q12bBRorkvu6A6bGNYTTtVU2rCnHkYqg0UygZfzPsrXNo/6OT3dsTLHrg2 bLRgUFRC2ctAc8scuVMHqqhms48bYeGctaQVs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=7ArRBxxnb8BYv+228gYupC6aZtylK0v0r8bjsKDYmaOlINtot6Yu77xCmpgFMMcd4v Cf5St75uujiM4tqzhnplCUlBynmVXWDI8LyojrLIWx48b0S73T8mDwQbE5vAqbQKIC4K Z9pt5x8oaoci1+7V9wP6QYMoVS+248qrJP6Zw= Received: by 10.151.134.19 with SMTP id l19mr1488457ybn.7.1294180174210; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:29:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.141.220 with SMTP id n28ls3200605ibu.0.p; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.4 with SMTP id ga4mr8336050ibb.11.1294180173625; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.4 with SMTP id ga4mr8336048ibb.11.1294180173600; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f179.google.com (mail-iy0-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d9si4988001ibq.3.2011.01.04.14.29.32; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.179; Received: by mail-iy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 19so13772930iye.10 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:29:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.207.84 with SMTP id fx20mr22157967ibb.62.1294180172481; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.19.199 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:29:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3460195.1058.1293997919114.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prho17> <6f6f786d-3db8-4c42-9abf-7a69f510b8e9@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 17:29:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: larlermorna From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fc51474c44304990ccd13 --90e6ba4fc51474c44304990ccd13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What remo said. Also, more specifically, in the past when trying to learn larlermorna I've had trouble when I see old pictures describing the system. It'd be nice if there was one well drawn (or even just use paint) description of exactly how the system works with an example of each letter individually. Another note for if you decide to write up an official design doc for llm, lindar: I think that it would be helpful if you made any examples in the design doc to be as un-creative as possible. If someone asks me for an example of a basic bridi I don't say {lo gerku poi se cinri kei co blabi ku batci lo simlu be lo ka se prami fi ce'u jai ko'a kei vau}, I say {lo gerku ku batci lo nanmu}. The best kind of examples are the kind that describe the fundamentally important attribute that you are trying to exemplify and nothing more. It would be helpful if: AFTER describing llm concretely you could show some stylistic variations. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Lindar wrote: > >> list off everything you'd like to see in a guide and i'll make it. llm >> is complete. >> > > I think it should be better documented, with a page on lojban.org. I see > jbotcan as a place where to experiment, doesn't seem to be the proper place > for larlermorna. > > As I had the opportunity to say already, for me it's the most "lojbanic" > proposal for an unique alphabet. I just think it deserves more visibiity. > > remo > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --90e6ba4fc51474c44304990ccd13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What remo said.

Also, more specifically, in the past whe= n trying to learn larlermorna I've had trouble when I see old pictures = describing the system. =A0It'd be nice if there was one well drawn (or = even just use paint) description of exactly how the system works with an ex= ample of each letter individually.

Another note for if you decide to write up an official = design doc for llm, lindar: =A0I think that it would be helpful if you made= any examples in the design doc to be as un-creative as possible. =A0If som= eone asks me for an example of a basic bridi I don't say {lo gerku poi = se cinri kei co blabi ku batci lo simlu be lo ka se prami fi ce'u jai k= o'a kei vau}, I say {lo gerku ku batci lo nanmu}. =A0The best kind of e= xamples are the kind that describe the fundamentally important attribute th= at you are trying to exemplify and nothing more.

It would be helpful if: AFTER describing llm concretely= you could show some stylistic variations.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Remo Dentato <<= a href=3D"mailto:rdentato@gmail.com">rdentato@gmail.com> wrot= e:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
list off everything you'd like to see in a guide and i'll make it. = llm
is complete.

I think it should be better do= cumented, with a page on lo= jban.org. I see jbotcan as a place where to experiment, doesn't see= m to be the proper place for larlermorna.

As I had the opportunity to say already, for me it's the most "= ;lojbanic" proposal for an unique alphabet. I just think it deserves m= ore visibiity.

remo



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