From lojban+bncCLr6ktCfBBCNr8npBBoEqANMAA@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 15 18:27:42 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PeILB-0005kd-PH; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:42 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf2948336gyb.16 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=4FmEAS/IAuAF05zLwjBDC9jSai5cALxNnHaG15J1S50=; b=Zfy4QDVyozs36WUytrj9YMBUUcxuf6NFQ0lgOVFnuJ+mKmjtunO7+o9bckJSIJRXjw OE2BvoONzUyQ5+gjk2/+jZBrmGJnE1Y8tM0RMoh/brAP43S0HH4YZaf9PaxQa/9SOC1z WCkp+b4P+scXaYSNWzxN+MIV+9WB8Y2HmSnDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=1YyMmOHF5zJ44do/KVFQTFQdL0ZCC14A5lhmnS004sidUIC+AB66NloUzwDulynfa+ Ck8X1mxDvfGF2CljnSIEDvebZCSGWPa3ywqcmKrhNrIS10IA4soPDOwUQGYWN6IoOTlL Xxp0zVKYkah8kjSM/O2h8Uh4x7jWbmGkQIH5k= Received: by 10.150.171.5 with SMTP id t5mr225592ybe.74.1295144845964; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.200.3 with SMTP id eu3ls3917009ibb.1.p; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.178.70 with SMTP id bl6mr218858icb.86.1295144845313; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.178.70 with SMTP id bl6mr218857icb.86.1295144845233; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f180.google.com (mail-iy0-f180.google.com [209.85.210.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cu19si745287ibb.1.2011.01.15.18.27.25; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.180 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.210.180; Received: by iyj21 with SMTP id 21so4584962iyj.39 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.173.12 with SMTP id n12mr2488486ibz.77.1295144844430; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z4sm2499228ibg.13.2011.01.15.18.27.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:27:20 -0700 From: ".alyn.post." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] question about ku Message-ID: <20110116022720.GD7994@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110116022339.GC7994@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110116022339.GC7994@alice.local> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.180 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline dur: correcting myself, it's mentioned: http://dag.github.com/cll/10/1/ I did a terrible job of looking. :-) -Alan On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 07:23:39PM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote: > Luke, I went hunting and found this in the CLL: > > http://dag.github.com/cll/20/ > > selma'o KU (Chapter 6, Chapter 10) > > Elidable terminator for LE and some uses of LA. Indicates the end of > a description sumti. Also used after a tense or modal to indicate > that no sumti follows, and in the compound NA+KU to indicate natural > language-style negation. > > I didn't find an example of terminating a tense or modal with {ku}, > but I wasn't exhaustive in my search. I'm happy I found some > mention of this usage. > > -Alan > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 07:08:29PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote: > > This is the meat of my question. My initial guess was that {ba} expects a > > sumti as is the case with {mi citka lo plise ba lo nu mi xagji} and that > > putting it before the selbri or terminating it with {ku} is just a way of > > saying "forget that sumti, it's zo'e or something". But the only way of > > getting that is for there to be an implicit {lo} OR {ku} is special in > > that it terminates tags like LE, BAI, BA, (and FA?). But that doesn't seem > > right because then why wouldn't the ku be necessary in the case of {mi ba > > [ku] citka lo plise}? > > > > I wish I understood PEG better. > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Ian Johnson <[1]blindbravado@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Still no idea why ku can terminate two completely unrelated selma'o, > > though. > > > > mu'o mi'e .latros. > > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Luke Bergen <[2]lukeabergen@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I don't know why it just occurred to me but... what exactly is "ku" > > terminatiging in "baku mi citka"? Is there an implicit "lo" so that > > parsers see this as /really/ being something like "baloku mi citka"? > > Or is ku just able to terminate "ba"? I didn't know that BA had a > > terminator... either way something feels strange. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [3]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [4]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > [5]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [6]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [7]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > [8]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > References > > > > Visible links > > 1. mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com > > 2. mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com > > 3. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 4. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 5. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 6. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 7. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 8. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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