From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCvjY_pBBoEEvnQ7w@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 04 17:17:50 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PaI0X-0008Sb-Gu; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:49 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf14080884ywh.16 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=keoKvHa0StVfNNYHfvemh5rclLxiGSRYC16F2LTHX3Y=; b=6djWcuut8MKMnoXfTOyiie98qaKA+Fg5Ct3cXF8zZ8fYnUBo6MG9Iq3tx9Gi0Lsh52 riFtMD/ltLE/23kI2VIr0aO3ySX6NdaStchwAC/QprpCZ1TAhvJrybOUMSUpsEkmE4JY /YS2ZWby8yA0ic5osYIIvIfBYyMqObfNzixy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xJ5rp1ZlfAeu5VHRkJSY9Yyz+vIv4496OA/ZrhxO8ZjZIQ6FqCGrNig5yjzxb1JPB0 0HGScDmd0G/vydMmi5e4OolcHPeRb4EdoXk3isn9uyPHcXcdwQd8cRjRYgPhLEOiPo1c RtpkJXPiDSOXaUKkCmzrKpcd65y+CcracvQqU= Received: by 10.236.110.135 with SMTP id u7mr795579yhg.9.1294190255682; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:35 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.225 with SMTP id d33ls12059432ibk.2.p; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.33.74 with SMTP id g10mr2602754ibd.13.1294190254797; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.33.74 with SMTP id g10mr2602753ibd.13.1294190254763; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f196.google.com (mail-iw0-f196.google.com [209.85.214.196]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cu19si5023034ibb.1.2011.01.04.17.17.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.196; Received: by iwn36 with SMTP id 36so9089380iwn.7 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.30.76 with SMTP id t12mr9055621ibc.193.1294190253510; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.140 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 17:17:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3460195.1058.1293997919114.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prho17> <6f6f786d-3db8-4c42-9abf-7a69f510b8e9@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:17:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: larlermorna From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255746ce55106404990f26a3 --0003255746ce55106404990f26a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > What remo said. > > Also, more specifically, in the past when trying to learn larlermorna I've > had trouble when I see old pictures describing the system. It'd be nice if > there was one well drawn (or even just use paint) description of exactly how > the system works with an example of each letter individually. > http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289431783729.png > Another note for if you decide to write up an official design doc for llm, > lindar: I think that it would be helpful if you made any examples in the > design doc to be as un-creative as possible. If someone asks me for an > example of a basic bridi I don't say {lo gerku poi se cinri kei co blabi ku > batci lo simlu be lo ka se prami fi ce'u jai ko'a kei vau}, I say {lo gerku > ku batci lo nanmu}. The best kind of examples are the kind that describe > the fundamentally important attribute that you are trying to exemplify and > nothing more. > > It would be helpful if: AFTER describing llm concretely you could show some > stylistic variations. > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Lindar wrote: >> >>> list off everything you'd like to see in a guide and i'll make it. llm >>> is complete. >>> >> >> I think it should be better documented, with a page on lojban.org. I see >> jbotcan as a place where to experiment, doesn't seem to be the proper place >> for larlermorna. >> >> As I had the opportunity to say already, for me it's the most "lojbanic" >> proposal for an unique alphabet. 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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Luke Ber= gen <lukeaber= gen@gmail.com> wrote:
What remo said.

Also, more specifically, in the past whe= n trying to learn larlermorna I've had trouble when I see old pictures = describing the system. =A0It'd be nice if there was one well drawn (or = even just use paint) description of exactly how the system works with an ex= ample of each letter individually.
Another note for if you decide to write up an official desi= gn doc for llm, lindar: =A0I think that it would be helpful if you made any= examples in the design doc to be as un-creative as possible. =A0If someone= asks me for an example of a basic bridi I don't say {lo gerku poi se c= inri kei co blabi ku batci lo simlu be lo ka se prami fi ce'u jai ko= 9;a kei vau}, I say {lo gerku ku batci lo nanmu}. =A0The best kind of examp= les are the kind that describe the fundamentally important attribute that y= ou are trying to exemplify and nothing more.

It would be helpful if: AFTER describing llm concretely= you could show some stylistic variations.


On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Re= mo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Lindar &= lt;lindartheba= rd@yahoo.com> wrote:
list off everything you'd like to see in a guide and i'll make it. = llm
is complete.

I think it should be better do= cumented, with a page on lo= jban.org. I see jbotcan as a place where to experiment, doesn't see= m to be the proper place for larlermorna.

As I had the opportunity to say already, for me it's the most "= ;lojbanic" proposal for an unique alphabet. I just think it deserves m= ore visibiity.

remo



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