From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDpxo_pBBoEHL9J-g@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 04 19:20:23 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PaJv8-0008Ie-V5; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:23 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf14142902yxn.16 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NkvGRxue04KZYxJZY/Nf7b1NSCSq56Py/cSeuwOaVac=; b=n4YEcoL3Mu0zbkrcEckUthGxvFcANjq91Fy+S2ElSpHZDhyJi41vx6lLBTT1I/LFPf pU463YBiwD3fI4IEM9dmQ2bDjwu6Yy5BIrS0VRQmwc0hzjpmtoSNei2bacQKlSNyBslo JsudFPariSwkyVzTTMrJ0G4IlDrIEBIfY0raw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=s2ICPYC+RN81/F3z8ptR5GwiTBl2zrTyiG1jt6rYEk48a/el9s6xJYkzZ3T0C5kY4l zQEa1YjmLyYOTf10bmaviMx/R+i5pRt3CRZpLWIGnFZT6vBGCQ/sFmvr7SHN5vCH/3rf nxGExN0D4wH+yLo8Ch1jo0wAwdnie380N6obA= Received: by 10.91.94.3 with SMTP id w3mr6808agl.16.1294197609359; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.78.146 with SMTP id l18ls1293404ibk.1.p; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.20.68 with SMTP id e4mr8398045ibb.1.1294197608748; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.20.68 with SMTP id e4mr8398044ibb.1.1294197608709; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f173.google.com (mail-iy0-f173.google.com [209.85.210.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si5048667ibb.4.2011.01.04.19.20.07; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.173; Received: by iye19 with SMTP id 19so13916359iye.18 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.207.84 with SMTP id fx20mr22371600ibb.62.1294197607537; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.19.199 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:20:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3460195.1058.1293997919114.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prho17> <6f6f786d-3db8-4c42-9abf-7a69f510b8e9@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:20:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: larlermorna From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fc514aa9d13049910dc3d --90e6ba4fc514aa9d13049910dc3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 that is sexy as lo ki'oki'o rupnu gleve'u. Although I don't see the dypthongs for uV or iV in that diagram. Also, what are the "alt vowels"? Thanks .aionys. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> What remo said. >> >> Also, more specifically, in the past when trying to learn larlermorna I've >> had trouble when I see old pictures describing the system. It'd be nice if >> there was one well drawn (or even just use paint) description of exactly how >> the system works with an example of each letter individually. >> > > http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289431783729.png > > >> Another note for if you decide to write up an official design doc for llm, >> lindar: I think that it would be helpful if you made any examples in the >> design doc to be as un-creative as possible. If someone asks me for an >> example of a basic bridi I don't say {lo gerku poi se cinri kei co blabi ku >> batci lo simlu be lo ka se prami fi ce'u jai ko'a kei vau}, I say {lo gerku >> ku batci lo nanmu}. The best kind of examples are the kind that describe >> the fundamentally important attribute that you are trying to exemplify and >> nothing more. >> >> It would be helpful if: AFTER describing llm concretely you could show >> some stylistic variations. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Lindar wrote: >>> >>>> list off everything you'd like to see in a guide and i'll make it. llm >>>> is complete. >>>> >>> >>> I think it should be better documented, with a page on lojban.org. I see >>> jbotcan as a place where to experiment, doesn't seem to be the proper place >>> for larlermorna. >>> >>> As I had the opportunity to say already, for me it's the most "lojbanic" >>> proposal for an unique alphabet. I just think it deserves more visibiity. >>> >>> remo >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --90e6ba4fc514aa9d13049910dc3d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that is sexy as lo ki'oki'o rupnu gleve'u. =A0Although I don= 9;t see the dypthongs for uV or iV in that diagram. =A0Also, what are the &= quot;alt vowels"?

Thanks .aionys.=A0

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at= 3:29 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
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What remo said.

Also, more specifically, in the past whe= n trying to learn larlermorna I've had trouble when I see old pictures = describing the system. =A0It'd be nice if there was one well drawn (or = even just use paint) description of exactly how the system works with an ex= ample of each letter individually.
Another note for if you decide to write up an official desi= gn doc for llm, lindar: =A0I think that it would be helpful if you made any= examples in the design doc to be as un-creative as possible. =A0If someone= asks me for an example of a basic bridi I don't say {lo gerku poi se c= inri kei co blabi ku batci lo simlu be lo ka se prami fi ce'u jai ko= 9;a kei vau}, I say {lo gerku ku batci lo nanmu}. =A0The best kind of examp= les are the kind that describe the fundamentally important attribute that y= ou are trying to exemplify and nothing more.

It would be helpful if: AFTER describing llm concretely= you could show some stylistic variations.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo= .com> wrote:
list off everything you'd like to see in a guide and i'll make it. = llm
is complete.

I think it should be better do= cumented, with a page on lo= jban.org. I see jbotcan as a place where to experiment, doesn't see= m to be the proper place for larlermorna.

As I had the opportunity to say already, for me it's the most "= ;lojbanic" proposal for an unique alphabet. I just think it deserves m= ore visibiity.

remo



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