From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRDAxubpBBoEdfxVtw@googlegroups.com Fri Jan 21 07:16:34 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PgIiz-00086Q-7O; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:34 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf799431fxm.16 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=u5duTqsU6NjTVWE39StMB/VDxyQWYEyPa1SRbepNfNk=; b=4IvWNh1cop+FWxjLOaYT+qc/Ek6tEpxaICRzkZQFIWlr3EzvvqmHbksb32fA6KXYBC okLoTK962X1dskQjK2nF3OYxcfk3fE8CRAh7fEGwVk9PfkMMXDa1MZJ71H/VEpns9kN9 odghuzVE6UGB84kO8I7qkK+g8RLAN5xMIpC1w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ytWIeRFkEWKBBz21nQw/5MXgQ9qLQJuGkFYgghdYfmakGjp0iVGS4XZf4hxbLEE3Ha HrCXQrDy+m04v5yTLHHICVM9UFwTIy3ACflLW45Ja7reMSw5dh1GMUCTId/5/kyrsSpm Z4lBs+LiUlgioVsRNTCR86rA7NN3LlkomtZfs= Received: by 10.223.105.198 with SMTP id u6mr55748fao.12.1295622976392; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.179.8 with SMTP id bo8ls703764bkb.1.p; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.82.147 with SMTP id b19mr64492bkl.6.1295622974614; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.82.147 with SMTP id b19mr64491bkl.6.1295622974513; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f43.google.com (mail-fx0-f43.google.com [209.85.161.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o17si1200978bkw.2.2011.01.21.07.16.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.43; Received: by fxm18 with SMTP id 18so1969349fxm.30 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.72.6 with SMTP id k6mr776930faj.46.1295622972938; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.85.205 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] lo drata darlu From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a71f109a29049a5cbbfa --20cf3054a71f109a29049a5cbbfa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothing done blindly is virtuous. stevo On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > .u'u .i sa'u .i broda cei ko'a sevmrori'a va'ojemu'i lo nu lo nu nei kei = cu > rinka lo nu lo drata cu jmive .i brode cei ko'a na'e pensi gi'e romoi bro= da > va'o lo nu cumki .i brodi cei ko'a pensi .ijebo va'o lo nu lo drata cu zm= adu > ko'a lo ka vajni lo remna keikei ko'a broda lo drata .iku'ibo va'o lo nu > ko'a zmadu lo drata kei ko'a na broda .i zmadu fi lo ka virdu kei fi'a br= ode > fi'a brodi > > .u'ucai > > I think this is one of those times where my lojban is just not up to the > task of expressing such a complex concept. In english then: is it more > virtuous to blindly sacrifice onesself in order to save another, or is it > more virtuous to consider probabalistically which life is more important = to > hummanity and act accordingly? > > i.e. if bob is on the brink of a breakthrough cure for cancer, should he = be > considered virtuous for sacrificing his life to save a homeless guy on th= e > street? > On Jan 20, 2011 5:16 PM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" wrot= e: > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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Nothing done blindly is virtuous.
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stevo

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gma= il.com> wrote:

.u'u .i sa'u .i broda cei ko'a sevmrori'a va'ojemu&#= 39;i lo nu lo nu nei kei cu rinka lo nu lo drata cu jmive .i brode cei ko&#= 39;a na'e pensi gi'e romoi broda va'o lo nu cumki .i brodi cei = ko'a pensi .ijebo va'o lo nu lo drata cu zmadu ko'a lo ka vajni= lo remna keikei ko'a broda lo drata .iku'ibo va'o lo nu ko'= ;a zmadu lo drata kei ko'a na broda .i zmadu fi lo ka virdu kei fi'= a brode fi'a brodi

.u'ucai

I think this is one of those times where my lojban is just not up to the= task of expressing such a complex concept.=A0 In english then:=A0 is it mo= re virtuous to blindly sacrifice onesself in order to save another, or is i= t more virtuous to consider probabalistically which life is more important = to hummanity and act accordingly?

i.e. if bob is on the brink of a breakthrough cure for cancer, should he= be considered virtuous for sacrificing his life to save a homeless guy on = the street?

On Jan 20, 2011 5:16 PM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas&= quot; <jjllamb= ias@gmail.com> wrote:

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