From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD65vjpBBoEH-8C8A@googlegroups.com Mon Jan 24 18:20:57 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PhYWb-00014e-Iz; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:57 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf5574767wyb.16 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tUKNQfk+eZDSQcTOoYNA9SySNXQCrLNTvxGNsKWdBdc=; b=UqnT5wmhKzCQ+XpH4w7DFRsU2db9N49ERQJijfH9yaS8YSg5D7n1DQWJMFrrwVVvTC fsg03vjfKoX2zuX4mjgaoMKCz29loLt6lcSUEc9GKtQ4M/f2A6jfDkKLxvbnfvBNH8AG I+JXokacKSYx28Ou1bmrJGMGSJnCQy89NJNyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iCeck505wMh2PVsE/HgIDWf/ff/I4dk/m4Lwf+LWXmRLn2zIHrlSz59faoMuHIP12X hAtPMb5jPOFpjMeWnimmvTZR2glhKl1t5SuNn6BiLniCXAkNi+Hx1HNl8WZlyeSZ5lIu q5+/bL70SxhMMV91zhDIXWaaSG9kACjk21fy0= Received: by 10.216.183.148 with SMTP id q20mr821351wem.20.1295922042214; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.246.74 with SMTP id p52ls2168106wer.1.p; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.28.8 with SMTP id f8mr293672wea.14.1295922041333; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.28.8 with SMTP id f8mr293671wea.14.1295922041300; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m79si1430442wej.7.2011.01.24.18.20.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.181; Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so5310311wyf.26 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.132.209 with SMTP id c17mr5276525wbt.135.1295922040148; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.10 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110125010310.GA26224@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110124162504.GB27137@alice.local> <20110125010310.GA26224@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:20:40 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] zoi bug in camxes? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > zoi gy gyrate gy fails in camxes; that seems like a bug (in camxes) > to me. =A0It seems to me that the final zoi delimiter must have a > pause on both ends. =A0But I haven't read the relevant CLL bit in > quite some time; what does it say about that? CLL: "The cmavo =93zoi=94 (of selma'o ZOI) is a quotation mark for quoting non-Lojban text. Its syntax is =93zoi X. text .X=94, where X is a Lojban word (called the delimiting word) which is separated from the quoted text by pauses, and which is not found in the written text or spoken phoneme stream." It doesn't say that the first X need be preceded by a pause, nor that the final X need be followed by a pause. But even the pauses that CLL does mention aren't always needed. For example camxes probably approves of "zoidadida". > Certainly for > > =A0zoi gy. gyrations .gy. > > to "work" but > > =A0zoi gy gyrate gy > > to "not work" is a bug in camxes by my standards; it needs to be one > or the other. Why? From a Lojbanic perspective "gyrations" is a single word, while "gyrate" are three words, so there doesn't seem to be a reason (unless you know English, but the Lojban parser doesn't) to treat it as one. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.