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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] zoi bug in camxes? Message-ID: <20110125035753.GA29282@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110124162504.GB27137@alice.local> <20110125010310.GA26224@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.173 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:20:40PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > > zoi gy gyrate gy fails in camxes; that seems like a bug (in camxes) > > to me. =A0It seems to me that the final zoi delimiter must have a > > pause on both ends. =A0But I haven't read the relevant CLL bit in > > quite some time; what does it say about that? >=20 > CLL: "The cmavo =93zoi=94 (of selma'o ZOI) is a quotation mark for quotin= g > non-Lojban text. Its syntax is =93zoi X. text .X=94, where X is a Lojban > word (called the delimiting word) which is separated from the quoted > text by pauses, and which is not found in the written text or spoken > phoneme stream." >=20 > It doesn't say that the first X need be preceded by a pause, nor that > the final X need be followed by a pause. >=20 > But even the pauses that CLL does mention aren't always needed. For > example camxes probably approves of "zoidadida". >=20 I always assumed that this description was describing (in a PEG grammar with an '=3D' operator I'm inventing for this purpose): zoi <- zoi-open=3Dany-lojban-word pause (!(pause? zoi-open) .)* pause zoi-o= pen Namely, that we read a X as any-lojban-word, store the value, then we read a *character at a time* until we find another X. In this case "quoted text" is a character stream, not itself broken into discrete words and therefor not subject to differentiation between gyrate and gyration. I believe this description makes the CLL consistent with itself. It is the only way I make sense of the example given. I'm not suggesting this is the behavior the PEG grammar should have, though I certainly wonder if this is what is being described in the text above. -Alan --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.