From lojban+bncCK30vq5WELn4-ekEGgR-L3-w@googlegroups.com Mon Jan 24 23:31:21 2011 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PhdMz-0001uH-8Q; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:31:20 -0800 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf1794394pxi.16 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:31:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EXHyHpdxiNibAk6RdiWDOq+flcNns0tw8fVF5EiLrKg=; b=58ZbO6nPfwlOtItyPICZ4nmjTSMnZEC1giClrJCW/0+L6nUfU2cF7TZyuh5Ek4Db15 sQTJ9+lm+o/qNP1wpBX8eKtY16s0l8A8FsceGtf/FRtLiLe3IGI+7n38lNuccEFCtG36 62A5NyIFFP7AepouIl9YJh/Jn7Ek9uF10lBdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=FlenyHKGFKEldt7ZlAqyiBBvx0z99ci9PLjpq2u1/O9NvPOsXCPc1z/9XO/DEhtPGw u2iW3HkzFzyHeOBhq7LpjZe9ylbGWET+9AwJo+0H6+bLnAyERaeJ7XHZzy26ZKXFAb4C PrE4Kg3atRZ4m3BlUta3oW2PSNoX3sVIG0zxQ= Received: by 10.142.239.6 with SMTP id m6mr273808wfh.54.1295940665459; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:31:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.41 with SMTP id 41ls303411wfb.0.p; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.154.7 with SMTP id b7mr321733wfe.68.1295940664051; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.154.7 with SMTP id b7mr321731wfe.68.1295940664007; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w1si3555941wfo.5.2011.01.24.23.31.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PhdMk-0001u1-GD for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:31:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:31:02 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] zoi bug in camxes? Message-ID: <20110125073102.GC26224@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110124162504.GB27137@alice.local> <20110125010310.GA26224@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:20:40PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > > zoi gy gyrate gy fails in camxes; that seems like a bug (in > > camxes) to me. =A0It seems to me that the final zoi delimiter must > > have a pause on both ends. =A0But I haven't read the relevant CLL > > bit in quite some time; what does it say about that? >=20 > CLL: "The cmavo =93zoi=94 (of selma'o ZOI) is a quotation mark for > quoting non-Lojban text. Its syntax is =93zoi X. text .X=94, where X > is a Lojban word (called the delimiting word) which is separated > from the quoted text by pauses, and which is not found in the > written text or spoken phoneme stream." >=20 > It doesn't say that the first X need be preceded by a pause, nor > that the final X need be followed by a pause. >=20 > But even the pauses that CLL does mention aren't always needed. > For example camxes probably approves of "zoidadida". Yeah, I don't think that's right at all; treating what's inside zoi as Lojbanic text and breaking it up into Lojbanic words just seems a bad plan to me. Fraught with peril. Hardly a low-hanging fruit, though. -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". 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