From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDwlf3pBBoEjRLFtw@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 25 14:13:20 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Phr8V-0007WI-3m; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:20 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf278106wwb.16 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=d+2BVOtKhr9VLIEcYdtVtfCJIUzNozA3UU/eytoHL1I=; b=ZBZM1meTMBV20fISVPZ8uvJ9W/5bJbfgrUFu6d0mCrmTLUVe5B8nzEvLpeUEiGfZZ3 lGwP7Jmy8ZFgVjmFyMldRvR0HrcNenBchpenLgXRUTzVSzt33Eya0HUBBl4ZLu6LQ1hI h//5ViBZVsYodpmMH4A/c1BXNciO5kkone1HE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=0+6+lJbrEor6ttDu9Z3Sdpvzd5eghIpRCdz5SYmkoeQuev2SNVhvqJtCgvtK9J5VJz H1a4svdek84nQkDPcMYnFAhSngpMi+/tnYK0jpDJQcMny1mheF+v8mOKxSwmX9FlQAsX P9VC1R2/kDnxQtWkHGvgzRUwAHIRT79OsHadw= Received: by 10.216.51.4 with SMTP id a4mr104115wec.24.1295993584146; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.15.136 with SMTP id f8ls2627873wef.3.p; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.178.13 with SMTP id e13mr25535wem.11.1295993583214; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.178.13 with SMTP id e13mr25534wem.11.1295993583202; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f178.google.com (mail-wy0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f60si1320406wes.10.2011.01.25.14.13.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.178; Received: by mail-wy0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 42so307569wyb.9 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.146.142 with SMTP id h14mr6734594wbv.106.1295993581963; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.10 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:13:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110125173607.GA30364@alice.local> References: <20110125010006.GZ26224@digitalkingdom.org> <3251036.256.1295936084612.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcj39> <20110125070730.GB26224@digitalkingdom.org> <20110125171957.GF26224@digitalkingdom.org> <20110125173607.GA30364@alice.local> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:13:01 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] zoi bug in camxes? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:36 PM, .alyn.post. wrote: > > From the conversation, I can summarize three separate proposals: > > 1) leave the PEG grammar alone and correct the CLL to describe the > =A0 way this grammar is behaving. This is currently my preference. > 2) replace the rule for zoi-word to match non-lojban-word rather > =A0 than any-word, so 'gyrate' won't be divided into three words, > =A0 satisfying Robin's consistency argument. =A0We'll still need to > =A0 update the CLL for the behavior, I think. Notice that "gyrate" does NOT match "non-lojban-word" (and neither does "gyrations" for that matter). You probably mean something else, some new rule like "string-of-phonemes-without-space <- non-space+". This also relates to the ZOhOI proposal. Yes, CLL needs updating in any case. Robin requires the final delimiter to be followed by a pause, which CLL does not. > 3) Replace the PEG grammar with something that reads the stuff > =A0 between the ZOI delimiter a character at a time. =A0Either require > =A0 a pause before the final delimiter or not. > > I like 2, 1, and then 3 in that order. 1, 2, 3 for me. > 2 I like because because of the argument Robin raised about > consistency. =A0I think it is surprising that gyrate is invalid > but gyration is valid, and I don't think that surprise is a useful > feature. =A0I can't think of a reason to dislike 2, please help me > with that. But wouldn't "zoi mi miklama mi" as a valid quote be surprising? Are you equally tempted to read "miklama" as a single word as you are to read "gyrate" as one word, or are you just thinking English? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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