From lojban+bncCMqBsa7nERDwif7pBBoETJ_zLg@googlegroups.com Tue Jan 25 18:20:48 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Phv00-0003qy-1k; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:20:48 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf4886046ywh.16 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:20:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=g2VlAfYAK9P3Xuz1F+lXL7JerU553EQDWYsbdGkQWCI=; b=2PZHV/PGHl3WOhI6p1qhaVvru1JV4rfDLRFJJ40y2mBn8XMstF4fICGSOGC7EAc2kw bcVGqROnWXaNRYp9G8rK1qnRP+YBw8xJw8i4gg9Vj5EmXESNiuhNQJvpg5SDUMB8iOFx Rvxxwktt9Y8hw87wTV/+WPFdmHEWR6wCDYCJs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=3V97zQ46fGMSJj91uaLGGSbW4tbB4pa79U2uE9IbRE0eEHd4Q5qXb83ODsWKD5ps0E 1R1tz9uToFSV2ljVUQ50uEnr3cj5yyMMI7oxVdudHf+wu/f5C3x2vLgAGYxwEhmxdLLQ 6cM8rubCXfQrG1Q2FqegaKDew+656AE98BY/4= Received: by 10.91.43.20 with SMTP id v20mr26361agj.6.1296008432964; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:20:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls154774ibh.0.p; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.227.202 with SMTP id jb10mr674657icb.9.1296008430913; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.227.202 with SMTP id jb10mr674656icb.9.1296008430892; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f177.google.com (mail-iy0-f177.google.com [209.85.210.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jo1si1802970icb.5.2011.01.25.18.20.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.177; Received: by mail-iy0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 21so5964615iyj.36 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.15.194 with SMTP id l2mr7557392iba.34.1296008429654; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:20:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.153.199 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:19:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110125204806.GB35838@alice.local> References: <20110125204806.GB35838@alice.local> From: Ross Ogilvie Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:19:59 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] proposed grammar definition for ZOhOI To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221534d2f7135329049ab67a61 --00221534d2f7135329049ab67a61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From jbovlaste, zo'oi acts to "quote next non-Lojban word only; quotes a single non-Lojban word delimited by pauses (in speech) or whitespace (in writing)". It seems to say that the pauses are required. ie ZOhOI-pre <- pre-clause ZOhOI spaces non-lojban-word spaces I don't know enough about the parsing of non-lojban-word to know if it will make a difference mu'o mi'e ros On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:48 AM, .alyn.post. wrote: > In discussion with xalbo on #lojban, This is the proposed definition > for ZOhOI as expressed in PEG. The '...' productions are existing > rules in the grammar that surround the new definitions, which are > shown here. > > ZOhOI <- &cmavo ( z o h o i ) &post-word -> ZOhOI > > ZOhOI-clause <- ZOhOI-pre ZOhOI-post > -> ZOhOI-clause > ZOhOI-pre <- pre-clause ZOhOI `spaces? non-lojban-word `spaces? > ZOhOI-post <- post-clause > > CMAVO <- ... > / ZOhOI > / ... > > sumti-6 <- ... > / ZOhOI-clause free* > / ... > > known-cmavo-sa <- ... > / ZOhOI-pre > / ... > > ;; I'm not certain of the postfix to use here, this needs testing. > ;; It may be just 'ZOhOI' > ;; > known-cmavo-pre <- ... > / ZOhOI-pre > / ... > > There are a small number of issues surrounding the ZOhOI-pre clause, > and what exactly consitutes a non-lojban-word. All of this is > untested, I wrote this up as a proof of concept. I'm hoping this > can be a contribution to a definition of ZOhOI formal enough to > present to the BPFK. > > -Alan > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00221534d2f7135329049ab67a61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From jbovlaste, zo'oi acts to "quote next non-Lojban word only; qu= otes a single non-Lojban word delimited by pauses (in speech) or whitespace= (in writing)".

It seems to say that the pauses are required. i= e
ZOhOI-pre =A0 =A0 =A0 <- pre-clause ZOhOI spaces non-lojban-word spaces<= br>
I don't know enough about the parsing of non-lojban-word to know= if it will make a difference

mu'o mi'e ros

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:48 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
In discussion with xalbo on #lojban, This is the proposed definition
for ZOhOI as expressed in PEG. =A0The '...' productions are existin= g
rules in the grammar that surround the new definitions, which are
shown here.

=A0ZOhOI <- &cmavo ( z o h o i ) &post-word -> ZOhOI

=A0ZOhOI-clause =A0 =A0<- ZOhOI-pre ZOhOI-post
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-> ZOhOI-clause
=A0ZOhOI-pre =A0 =A0 =A0 <- pre-clause ZOhOI `spaces? non-lojban-word `= spaces?
=A0ZOhOI-post =A0 =A0 =A0<- post-clause

=A0CMAVO =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <- ...
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / =A0ZOhOI
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / =A0...

=A0sumti-6 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <- ...
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / ZOhOI-clause free*
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / ...

=A0known-cmavo-sa =A0<- ...
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / ZOhOI-pre
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / ...

=A0;; I'm not certain of the postfix to use here, this needs testing.<= br> =A0;; It may be just 'ZOhOI'
=A0;;
=A0known-cmavo-pre <- ...
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / ZOhOI-pre
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / ...

There are a small number of issues surrounding the ZOhOI-pre clause,
and what exactly consitutes a non-lojban-word. =A0All of this is
untested, I wrote this up as a proof of concept. =A0I'm hoping this
can be a contribution to a definition of ZOhOI formal enough to
present to the BPFK.

-Alan
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