From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDSoYLqBBoEJh59ww@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 26 13:23:52 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PiCq6-0001ek-0H; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:51 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf935240vws.16 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=DJB6NjD9VoaJwl9LkgEjTbGWgFOqdW6kZlmIVBfNyYk=; b=JYiersRWzbBhIRZ9UPWNRqywwJGAejS6TKC/xFBqQndKuZaA2H/r9c+ePJ1LtaOS6C nxZStSd+263Fa2AWvX+kxG/ZXcCli3peoiwPP7Or5oFRAagZA99RAUQPwFKFVXHNILKt 60EZfwVj1cM3CwmASARsuW88HLiPetiRt5C3g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=QnnGEbEy7fOFugDCqMcj9W5UoJkDdpW+wFQxfdYJgUr3VEanpTqW9Zh9KNyiPA2b1Y Y6d0ZKzWUiJ4jMECWI5FL4yaivf/igPcXIJS6/rYUuLD8ld77HbIOat2+s6mEGT0/EMz u6DIt3punzA2IBPvFmzeezwvQX2Pm5rX7sJ+8= Received: by 10.220.182.200 with SMTP id cd8mr12502vcb.17.1296077010860; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.109.137 with SMTP id j9ls127335vcp.0.p; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.93.2 with SMTP id t2mr29950vcm.16.1296077009641; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.93.2 with SMTP id t2mr29949vcm.16.1296077009578; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j14si3122275vbr.3.2011.01.26.13.23.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.44; Received: by mail-qw0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 2so1347891qwi.17 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.183.142 with SMTP id cg14mr819153qcb.90.1296077007803; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.118.212 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <647953.32901.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:23:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] lo drata darlu From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163631012fa6e699049ac671a0 --00163631012fa6e699049ac671a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (no worries. This isn't xedbig ;) ki'e mi srera .iku'i do drani jimpe .i ro prenu cu nalprane selju'o jdice c= a roda .i mlibebna lo nu cusku lu do na prane djuno .ija'ebo do na vrude va'o lo nu do zukte da'i li'u .i pe'i On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > .ie .i no prenu cu kakne lo nu djuno lo balvi .iku'i ro prenu cu kakne = lo > nu > > smadi .i va'o lo nu da pulji gi'e de zerpre kei lakna fa lo nu da zmadu > de > > tu'a lo xamgu balvi > > (I'm sorry to be anti-xedbig philosophy here, but I can't make out > what you are saying here. It's not grammatical, because gi'e must be > followed by a bridi. Oh, never mind. I got it. You wanted "va'o lu > nu ge da pulji gi de zerpre kei...") > > lakne se la'u li pi so'u .enai ku'i li pa > > >.i cumki fa lo nu mutce mutce xlali fa lo nu de mrobi'o > > .iku'i ma'a roroi lakne jdice fi roda > > .i lo nu na'e pensi jdice cu xlali .i pe'i lo nu lakne jdice ba lo nu > pensi > > je tcini bo viska keikei cu traji lo ka vrude > > .ita'o mi mutce srera .i ro selsku zo'u lo'ai virnu sa'ai vrude le'ai > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> lo se na'e curmi cu tolvri ca'e .i no prenu ka'e djuno fi lo balvi .i > >> la'acu'i do ji'a bazi morsi gi'e na mulgau lo danfu be tu'a lo kenra > >> .i la'acu'i ba lo nu do mikce fi lo kenra kei do snuti finti lo mutce > >> vidru noi catra pa gigdo be lo prenu .i semu'inai bo do bilga lo nu > >> cuxna tu'a do du'o lo brojda > >> --gejyspa > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Luke Bergen > >> wrote: > >> > oh wow. {nurxru} would have been an amazingly useful word when I wa= s > >> > putting together earlier emails. That's a handy one. Also, thanks > >> > gejyspa, > >> > not sure why I was thinking sev. > >> > ta'onai mi na casnu tu'a lo se curmi .i mi casnu tu'a lo se virnu > >> > .i mi jinvi lo du'u lo nu da seznurxru ki'unai lo nu de mrobi'o keik= ei > >> > cu > >> > virnu va'o lo nu lo nu seznurxru kei cu rinka tu'a lo zmadu xamgu > >> > .isa'u da'i mi bazi facki lo micyske be fi la .cancer. .i mi tolvirn= u > lo > >> > nu > >> > da'i nurxru lo drata mu'inai lo nu mi morsi .iki'ubo so'i prenu cu > >> > mrobi'o > >> > ki'u lo nu mi morsi je nurxru lo drata > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Michael Turniansky > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> ka'u ro remna cu se vamji lo cimni zi'o lo nu jmive .i seni'ibo > va'o > >> >> da'i lo nu do bilga lo nu cuxna pa da lo nu do jmive kei ce lo nu l= o > >> >> drata cu jmive keikei do bilga lo cuxna tu'a do .i lo nu de catra d= i > >> >> seva'u de cu se tolcru .iku'i lo nu de na'e nurxru di tezu'e lo nu = de > >> >> jmive kei kei cu se curmi > >> >> > >> >> (BTW, Luke, you're using "sev-" where I think you mean "sez/se'i") > >> >> --gejyspa > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM, John E. Clifford > >> >> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Not to mention the whole question of whether the greatest good > >> >> > --whatever > >> >> > that means -- is an appropriate basis for ethical decisions. > >> >> > > >> >> > Sent from my iPad > >> >> > On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:26, Luke Bergen > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > .i'ecai > >> >> > .iku'i so'i prenu cu krici lo du'u broda mintu lo selvirnu .i bro= da > >> >> > cei > >> >> > ko'a > >> >> > zukte fi lo nu jmive ja gleki ja xamgu lo drata kei ki'unai lo nu > >> >> > zukte > >> >> > cu > >> >> > xlali ko'a > >> >> > mi nelci lo selsku be do doi stevo > >> >> > .i na virnu ro lo nu toldjuno zukte > >> >> > Of course, that flies in the face of the classic act of heroism > where > >> >> > a > >> >> > guy > >> >> > throws himself in front of a bus in order to shove a complete > >> >> > stranger > >> >> > out > >> >> > of the way. But, as per my earlier argument, it is kind of naive > to > >> >> > assume > >> >> > that you're life is worth less than that of a complete stranger. > In > >> >> > case my > >> >> > lojban is, again, too funky for clear understanding: many people > >> >> > believe > >> >> > that selflessness is synonymous with virtue. > >> >> > In reality, it is sometimes the case that "the greatest good" > happens > >> >> > to > >> >> > coincide with a good outcome for "you". To assume that that neve= r > >> >> > happens > >> >> > is naive. > >> >> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:16 AM, MorphemeAddict < > lytlesw@gmail.com> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Nothing done blindly is virtuous. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> stevo > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Luke Bergen < > lukeabergen@gmail.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> .u'u .i sa'u .i broda cei ko'a sevmrori'a va'ojemu'i lo nu lo n= u > >> >> >>> nei > >> >> >>> kei > >> >> >>> cu rinka lo nu lo drata cu jmive .i brode cei ko'a na'e pensi > gi'e > >> >> >>> romoi > >> >> >>> broda va'o lo nu cumki .i brodi cei ko'a pensi .ijebo va'o lo n= u > lo > >> >> >>> drata cu > >> >> >>> zmadu ko'a lo ka vajni lo remna keikei ko'a broda lo drata > .iku'ibo > >> >> >>> va'o lo > >> >> >>> nu ko'a zmadu lo drata kei ko'a na broda .i zmadu fi lo ka vird= u > >> >> >>> kei > >> >> >>> fi'a > >> >> >>> brode fi'a brodi > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> .u'ucai > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I think this is one of those times where my lojban is just not = up > >> >> >>> to > >> >> >>> the > >> >> >>> task of expressing such a complex concept. In english then: i= s > it > >> >> >>> more > >> >> >>> virtuous to blindly sacrifice onesself in order to save another= , > or > >> >> >>> is > >> >> >>> it > >> >> >>> more virtuous to consider probabalistically which life is more > >> >> >>> important to > >> >> >>> hummanity and act accordingly? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> i.e. if bob is on the brink of a breakthrough cure for cancer, > >> >> >>> should > >> >> >>> he > >> >> >>> be considered virtuous for sacrificing his life to save a > homeless > >> >> >>> guy > >> >> >>> on > >> >> >>> the street? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On Jan 20, 2011 5:16 PM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" > >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >> >> >>> Groups > >> >> >>> "lojban" group. > >> >> >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> >> >>> For more options, visit this group at > >> >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goog= le > >> >> >> Groups > >> >> >> "lojban" group. > >> >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> >> >> For more options, visit this group at > >> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl= e > >> >> > Groups > >> >> > "lojban" group. > >> >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl= e > >> >> > Groups > >> >> > "lojban" group. > >> >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> Groups > >> >> "lojban" group. > >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> >> For more options, visit this group at > >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "lojban" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "lojban" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michae= l Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> .ie .i no prenu cu kakne lo nu djuno lo balvi .iku'i ro prenu cu k= akne lo nu
> smadi .i va'o lo nu da pulji gi'e de zerpre kei lakna fa lo nu= da zmadu de
> tu'a lo xamgu balvi

=A0(I'm sorry to be anti-xedbig philosophy here, but I can't= make out
what you are saying here. =A0It's not grammatical, because gi'e mus= t be
followed by a bridi. =A0Oh, never mind. =A0I got it. =A0You wanted "va= 'o lu
nu ge da pulji gi de zerpre kei...")

=A0lakne se la'u li pi so'u .enai ku'i li pa

>.i cumki fa lo nu mutce mutce xlali fa lo nu de mrobi'o
> .iku'i ma'a roroi lakne jdice fi roda
> .i lo nu na'e pensi jdice cu xlali .i pe'i lo nu lakne jdice b= a lo nu pensi
> je tcini bo viska keikei cu traji lo ka vrude
> .ita'o mi mutce srera .i ro selsku zo'u lo'ai virnu sa'= ;ai vrude le'ai
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> lo se na'e curmi cu tolvri ca'e .i no prenu =A0ka'e dj= uno fi lo balvi .i
>> la'acu'i do ji'a bazi morsi gi'e na mulgau lo danf= u be tu'a lo kenra
>> .i la'acu'i ba lo nu do mikce =A0fi lo kenra kei do snuti = finti lo mutce
>> vidru noi catra pa gigdo be lo prenu .i semu'inai bo do bilga = lo nu
>> cuxna tu'a do du'o lo brojda
>> =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > oh wow. =A0{nurxru} would have been an amazingly useful word = when I was
>> > putting together earlier emails. =A0That's a handy one. = =A0Also, thanks
>> > gejyspa,
>> > not sure why I was thinking sev.
>> > ta'onai mi na casnu tu'a lo se curmi .i mi casnu tu&#= 39;a lo se virnu
>> > .i mi jinvi lo du'u lo nu da seznurxru ki'unai lo nu = de mrobi'o keikei
>> > cu
>> > virnu va'o lo nu lo nu seznurxru kei cu rinka tu'a lo= zmadu xamgu
>> > .isa'u da'i mi bazi facki lo micyske be fi la .cancer= . .i mi tolvirnu lo
>> > nu
>> > da'i nurxru lo drata mu'inai lo nu mi morsi .iki'= ubo so'i prenu cu
>> > mrobi'o
>> > ki'u lo nu mi morsi je nurxru lo drata
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Michael Turniansky
>> > <mturniansky@gmai= l.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ka'u ro remna =A0cu se =A0vamji lo cimni zi'o lo = nu jmive .i seni'ibo va'o
>> >> da'i lo nu do bilga lo nu cuxna pa da lo nu do jmive = kei ce lo nu lo
>> >> drata cu jmive keikei do bilga lo cuxna tu'a do .i lo= nu de catra di
>> >> seva'u de cu se tolcru .iku'i lo nu de na'e n= urxru di tezu'e lo nu de
>> >> jmive kei kei cu se curmi
>> >>
>> >> (BTW, Luke, you're using "sev-" where I thi= nk you mean "sez/se'i")
>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM, John E. Clifford
>> >> <kali9putra@ya= hoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Not to mention the whole question of whether the gre= atest good
>> >> > --whatever
>> >> > that means -- is an appropriate basis for ethical de= cisions.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my iPad
>> >> > On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:26, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > .i'ecai
>> >> > .iku'i so'i prenu cu krici lo du'u broda= mintu lo selvirnu .i broda
>> >> > cei
>> >> > ko'a
>> >> > zukte fi lo nu=A0jmive ja=A0gleki ja=A0xamgu lo drat= a kei=A0ki'unai lo nu
>> >> > zukte
>> >> > cu
>> >> > xlali ko'a
>> >> > mi nelci lo selsku be do doi stevo
>> >> > .i na virnu ro lo nu toldjuno zukte
>> >> > Of course, that flies in the face of the classic act= of heroism where
>> >> > a
>> >> > guy
>> >> > throws himself in front of a bus in order to shove a= complete
>> >> > stranger
>> >> > out
>> >> > of the way. =A0But, as per my earlier argument, it i= s kind of naive to
>> >> > assume
>> >> > that you're life is worth less than that of a co= mplete stranger. =A0In
>> >> > case my
>> >> > lojban is, again, too funky for clear understanding:= =A0many people
>> >> > believe
>> >> > that selflessness is synonymous with virtue.
>> >> > In reality, it is sometimes the case that "the = greatest good" happens
>> >> > to
>> >> > coincide with a good outcome for "you". = =A0To assume that that never
>> >> > happens
>> >> > is naive.
>> >> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:16 AM, MorphemeAddict <= ;lytlesw@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nothing done blindly is virtuous.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> stevo
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Luke Bergen <= ;lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> .u'u .i sa'u .i broda cei ko'a s= evmrori'a va'ojemu'i lo nu lo nu
>> >> >>> nei
>> >> >>> kei
>> >> >>> cu rinka lo nu lo drata cu jmive .i brode ce= i ko'a na'e pensi gi'e
>> >> >>> romoi
>> >> >>> broda va'o lo nu cumki .i brodi cei ko&#= 39;a pensi .ijebo va'o lo nu lo
>> >> >>> drata cu
>> >> >>> zmadu ko'a lo ka vajni lo remna keikei k= o'a broda lo drata .iku'ibo
>> >> >>> va'o lo
>> >> >>> nu ko'a zmadu lo drata kei ko'a na b= roda .i zmadu fi lo ka virdu
>> >> >>> kei
>> >> >>> fi'a
>> >> >>> brode fi'a brodi
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> .u'ucai
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I think this is one of those times where my = lojban is just not up
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> task of expressing such a complex concept.= =A0 In english then:=A0 is it
>> >> >>> more
>> >> >>> virtuous to blindly sacrifice onesself in or= der to save another, or
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>> it
>> >> >>> more virtuous to consider probabalistically = which life is more
>> >> >>> important to
>> >> >>> hummanity and act accordingly?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> i.e. if bob is on the brink of a breakthroug= h cure for cancer,
>> >> >>> should
>> >> >>> he
>> >> >>> be considered virtuous for sacrificing his l= ife to save a homeless
>> >> >>> guy
>> >> >>> on
>> >> >>> the street?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Jan 20, 2011 5:16 PM, "Jorge Llamb= =EDas" <jjllambias@gmail.co= m>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
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