From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhDMj4PqBBoEJ10MOw@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 26 17:18:21 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PiGV5-0005X8-U5; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:21 -0800 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf830728gwb.16 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rO+r/KMLONmxLBYYwIXHN71OX0MnjnxFxRhNcIgr10I=; b=o1F28Cg+UEku6p4o9xvzPxoczAyMcgfWuOoMcQ5reanbxKByUw3VCP2iPx84VoS5qL SHTqaWFH2dGGjr2C8TomhppjuprwEgIKaEFpX6T/OusefGfea0318y7cYSifHpVeCzdY b7QgNW4LZ6ka8xpjCaVq9Zu4qxkMfLtYR/65A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Kqw8S4v/qhK1np9L1EZdDPW9Wb/KW321fOw03ttrTnjjeI6CUV0YukQaxtmnisF6Cs 7H1FfOlYHvH14vz49GyNP7fz6e8+GO3mT6Nxo+zGLMp+emnSXO2mnHGp1FpIL7I6uXsR 3ATH1IJf/Cp/+Wc3iVL0AtQIJ2uOMjYyP5QRA= Received: by 10.90.103.17 with SMTP id a17mr135600agc.17.1296091084723; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls1243147ibh.0.p; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.34.6 with SMTP id j6mr79873ibd.10.1296091083796; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.34.6 with SMTP id j6mr79872ibd.10.1296091083701; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f173.google.com (mail-iw0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j25si3864384ibb.4.2011.01.26.17.18.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by iwn40 with SMTP id 40so1549286iwn.4 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.178.199 with SMTP id bn7mr1420582icb.154.1296091082352; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.172.67 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110126185729.GC38730@alice.local> References: <20110125204806.GB35838@alice.local> <20110126033008.GA37422@alice.local> <20110126035654.GB37422@alice.local> <20110126185729.GC38730@alice.local> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] proposed grammar definition for ZOhOI From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8d628f6911049ac9b8a0 --90e6ba6e8d628f6911049ac9b8a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 pe'i there should be 3 ways of writing lojban: 1. Strict: the only characters allowed (barring alphabet shifts) are lojban characters. 2. Visually mnemonic: characters such as quotation marks and parentheses etc. are allowed to make skimming the text easier; there is no need to standardize (although suggestions might be welcome) what means what because the characters will be ignored (treated as whitespace) by the parser, and so every spoken syllable will still need to be spelled out. 3. Visual shorthand: It will develop anyway, so it's best to standardize it. e.g. {xu} can be *replaced* by a question mark, {to} and {to'o} might be *replaced* by left and right parentheses, etc. It would make sense to speak of {xubu}, the grapheme representing the cmavo {xu} Also, when I wrote ".quot." I meant to write ".kuot." I don't think that ".quot." is a valid lojban cmevla On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:57 PM, .alyn.post. wrote: > I added this to the typography page, describing it as a thought > experiment. Thank you. > > -Alan > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 01:37:09PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:56 PM, .alyn.post. > > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > > > xorxes pointed out earlier today in a different thread that > > zoi's delimiters must be valid lojban words. This excludes > > " from being used. Nevertheless, I give you points for > > cleverness there. :-D > > > > If one wanted to be too clever by half, one could argue that " is a > > representation of the cmevla {.quot.} like 4 is a representation of > the > > namcu valsi {vo}. > > > > -Alan > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:40:59PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > > I agree that zo'oi "Where are your keys?" should not be valid, > > although I > > > could see an argument for zoi " Where are your keys? " being made, > or > > at > > > least for a zoi-like word which accepts non-word, non-letter > > delimiters. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:30 PM, .alyn.post. > > > <[1][2]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > > > > > Good catch, thank you. The definition of spaces in the (my) > grammar > > > is: > > > > > > spaces <- ( comma* space-char )+ EOF? > > > / EOF > > > > > > Which includes what I understand to be a pause. (comma and space, > > > which includes punctuation like ? and !.) > > > > > > I've been experimenting with this part of the morphology, I > believe > > > camxes includes Y (hesitation) here, which is an interesting > > > question: > > > > > > For ZOhOI, LAhOI, &c, anything that quotes a single word, is > > > hesitation allowed between zo'oi and the quoted word? zo permits > > > hesitation between between zo and the quoted word, but the quoted > > > word is Loban. If we permit hesitation between ZOhOI and the > > > quoting word, we don't allow ourselves to quote a foreign word > that > > > coincidentally is .y. > > > > > > In theory, we could use ZOI and delimit the word in this case, so > it > > > isn't a show-stopper. camxes actually doesn't permit this usage > > > either (though it is grammatical, you wind up with a parse tree > that > > > is quoting nothing rather than quoting .y.), which is why I've > been > > > experimenting with Y handling. > > > > > > Interesting question, nevertheless. Accuracy versus consistency? > > > What do you think? > > > > > > I also asked xalbo whether this this was valid usage: > > > > > > zo'oi "Where are your Keys?" > > > > > > And he opined no. > > > > > > -Alan > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 01:19:59PM +1100, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > > > > From jbovlaste, zo'oi acts to "quote next non-Lojban word only; > > quotes > > > a > > > > single non-Lojban word delimited by pauses (in speech) or > whitespace > > > (in > > > > writing)". > > > > > > > > It seems to say that the pauses are required. ie > > > > ZOhOI-pre <- pre-clause ZOhOI spaces non-lojban-word spaces > > > > > > > > I don't know enough about the parsing of non-lojban-word to know > if > > it > > > > will make a difference > > > > > > > > mu'o mi'e ros > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:48 AM, .alyn.post. > > > > <[1][2][3]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > In discussion with xalbo on #lojban, This is the proposed > definition > > > > for ZOhOI as expressed in PEG. The '...' productions are > existing > > > > rules in the grammar that surround the new definitions, which > are > > > > shown here. > > > > > > > > ZOhOI <- &cmavo ( z o h o i ) &post-word -> ZOhOI > > > > > > > > ZOhOI-clause <- ZOhOI-pre ZOhOI-post > > > > -> ZOhOI-clause > > > > ZOhOI-pre <- pre-clause ZOhOI `spaces? non-lojban-word `spaces? > > > > ZOhOI-post <- post-clause > > > > > > > > CMAVO <- ... > > > > / ZOhOI > > > > / ... > > > > > > > > sumti-6 <- ... > > > > / ZOhOI-clause free* > > > > / ... > > > > > > > > known-cmavo-sa <- ... > > > > / ZOhOI-pre > > > > / ... > > > > > > > > ;; I'm not certain of the postfix to use here, this needs > testing. > > > > ;; It may be just 'ZOhOI' > > > > ;; > > > > known-cmavo-pre <- ... > > > > / ZOhOI-pre > > > > / ... > > > > > > > > There are a small number of issues surrounding the ZOhOI-pre > clause, > > > > and what exactly consitutes a non-lojban-word. All of this is > > > > untested, I wrote this up as a proof of concept. I'm hoping this > > > > can be a contribution to a definition of ZOhOI formal enough to > > > > present to the BPFK. > > > > > > > > -Alan > > > > -- > > > > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > Groups "lojban" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > [2][3][4]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [3][4][5]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > [4][5][6]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > Groups > > > > "lojban" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [6][7] > lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [7][8]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > [8][9]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > > > References > > > > > > > > Visible links > > > > 1. mailto:[9][10]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > > > 2. mailto:[10][11]lojban@googlegroups.com > > > > 3. mailto:[11][12]lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > 4. [12][13]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > > -- > > > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "lojban" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [13][14] > lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [14][15]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > [15][16]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > Alex R > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > "lojban" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [17]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [18]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > [19]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > References > > > > > > Visible links > > > 1. mailto:[20]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > > 2. mailto:[21]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > > 3. mailto:[22]lojban@googlegroups.com > > > 4. mailto:[23]lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > 5. [24]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > > 6. mailto:[25]lojban@googlegroups.com > > > 7. mailto:[26]lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > 8. [27]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > > 9. mailto:[28]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > > 10. mailto:[29]lojban@googlegroups.com > > > 11. mailto:[30]lojban%252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > 12. [31]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > > 13. mailto:[32]lojban@googlegroups.com > > > 14. mailto:[33]lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > 15. [34]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > -- > > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [35]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [36]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > [37]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Alex R > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > References > > > > Visible links > > 1. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > 2. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > 3. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > 4. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 5. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 6. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 7. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 8. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 9. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 10. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > 11. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 12. mailto:lojban%252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 13. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 14. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 15. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 16. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 17. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 18. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 19. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 20. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > 21. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > 22. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 23. mailto:lojban%252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 24. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 25. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 26. mailto:lojban%252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 27. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 28. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > 29. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 30. mailto:lojban%25252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 31. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 32. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 33. mailto:lojban%252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 34. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 35. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 36. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 37. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --90e6ba6e8d628f6911049ac9b8a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pe'i there should be 3 ways of writing lojban:
  1. Strict: the o= nly characters allowed (barring alphabet shifts) are lojban characters.
  2. Visually mnemonic: characters such as quotation marks and parentheses = etc. are allowed to make skimming the text easier; there is no need to stan= dardize (although suggestions might be welcome) what means what because the= characters will be ignored (treated as whitespace) by the parser, and so e= very spoken syllable will still need to be spelled out.
  3. Visual shorthand: It will develop anyway, so it's best to standardi= ze it.=A0 e.g. {xu} can be *replaced* by a question mark, {to} and {to'= o} might be *replaced* by left and right parentheses, etc.=A0 It would make= sense to speak of {xubu}, the grapheme representing the cmavo {xu}
Also, when I wrote ".quot." I meant to write ".kuot.&qu= ot;
I don't think that ".quot." is a valid lojban cmevla
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:57 PM, .alyn.pos= t. <= alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
I added this to t= he typography page, describing it as a thought
experiment. =A0Thank you.

-Alan

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 01:37:09PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
> =A0 =A0On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:56 PM, .alyn= .post.
> =A0 =A0<[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0xorxes pointed out earlier today in a different thread that=
> =A0 =A0 =A0zoi's delimiters must be valid lojban words. This exclu= des
> =A0 =A0 =A0" from being used. Nevertheless, I give you points for=
> =A0 =A0 =A0cleverness there. :-D
>
> =A0 =A0If one wanted to be too clever by half, one could argue that &q= uot; is a
> =A0 =A0representation of the cmevla {.quot.} like 4 is a representatio= n of the
> =A0 =A0namcu valsi {vo}.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0-Alan
> =A0 =A0 =A0On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:40:59PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn = wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0> I agree that zo'oi "Where are your keys?"= ; should not be valid,
> =A0 =A0 =A0although I
> =A0 =A0 =A0> could see an argument for zoi " Where are your ke= ys? " being made, or
> =A0 =A0 =A0at
> =A0 =A0 =A0> least for a zoi-like word which accepts non-word, non-= letter
> =A0 =A0 =A0delimiters.
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:30 PM, .alyn.post.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> <[1][2]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.or= g> wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> Good catch, thank you. The definition of spaces in the= (my) grammar
> =A0 =A0 =A0> is:
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> spaces <- ( comma* space-char )+ EOF?
> =A0 =A0 =A0> / EOF
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> Which includes what I understand to be a pause. (comma= and space,
> =A0 =A0 =A0> which includes punctuation like ? and !.)
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> I've been experimenting with this part of the morp= hology, I believe
> =A0 =A0 =A0> camxes includes Y (hesitation) here, which is an inter= esting
> =A0 =A0 =A0> question:
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> For ZOhOI, LAhOI, &c, anything that quotes a singl= e word, is
> =A0 =A0 =A0> hesitation allowed between zo'oi and the quoted wo= rd? zo permits
> =A0 =A0 =A0> hesitation between between zo and the quoted word, but= the quoted
> =A0 =A0 =A0> word is Loban. If we permit hesitation between ZOhOI a= nd the
> =A0 =A0 =A0> quoting word, we don't allow ourselves to quote a = foreign word that
> =A0 =A0 =A0> coincidentally is .y.
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> In theory, we could use ZOI and delimit the word in th= is case, so it
> =A0 =A0 =A0> isn't a show-stopper. camxes actually doesn't = permit this usage
> =A0 =A0 =A0> either (though it is grammatical, you wind up with a p= arse tree that
> =A0 =A0 =A0> is quoting nothing rather than quoting .y.), which is = why I've been
> =A0 =A0 =A0> experimenting with Y handling.
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> Interesting question, nevertheless. Accuracy versus co= nsistency?
> =A0 =A0 =A0> What do you think?
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> I also asked xalbo whether this this was valid usage:<= br> > =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> zo'oi "Where are your Keys?"
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> And he opined no.
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> -Alan
> =A0 =A0 =A0> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 01:19:59PM +1100, Ross Ogilvie= wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > From jbovlaste, zo'oi acts to "quote nex= t non-Lojban word only;
> =A0 =A0 =A0quotes
> =A0 =A0 =A0> a
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > single non-Lojban word delimited by pauses (in sp= eech) or whitespace
> =A0 =A0 =A0> (in
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > writing)".
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > It seems to say that the pauses are required. ie<= br> > =A0 =A0 =A0> > ZOhOI-pre <- pre-clause ZOhOI spaces non-lojba= n-word spaces
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > I don't know enough about the parsing of non-= lojban-word to know if
> =A0 =A0 =A0it
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > will make a difference
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > mu'o mi'e ros
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:48 AM, .alyn.post.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > <= ;[1][2][3]alyn.post@lodoc= kikumazvati.org> wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > In discussion with xalbo on #lojban, This is the = proposed definition
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > for ZOhOI as expressed in PEG. The '...' = productions are existing
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > rules in the grammar that surround the new defini= tions, which are
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > shown here.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > ZOhOI <- &cmavo ( z o h o i ) &post-wo= rd -> ZOhOI
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > ZOhOI-clause <- ZOhOI-pre ZOhOI-post
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > -> ZOhOI-clause
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > ZOhOI-pre <- pre-clause ZOhOI `spaces? non-loj= ban-word `spaces?
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > ZOhOI-post <- post-clause
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > CMAVO <- ...
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > / ZOhOI
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > / ...
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > sumti-6 <- ...
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > / ZOhOI-clause free*
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > / ...
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > known-cmavo-sa <- ...
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > / ZOhOI-pre
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > / ...
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > ;; I'm not certain of the postfix to use here= , this needs testing.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > ;; It may be just 'ZOhOI'
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > ;;
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > known-cmavo-pre <- ...
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > / ZOhOI-pre
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > / ...
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > There are a small number of issues surrounding th= e ZOhOI-pre clause,
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > and what exactly consitutes a non-lojban-word. Al= l of this is
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > untested, I wrote this up as a proof of concept. = I'm hoping this
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > can be a contribution to a definition of ZOhOI fo= rmal enough to
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > present to the BPFK.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > -Alan
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