From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDbjoTqBBoEsbTTlQ@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 26 21:49:34 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PiKjW-00076g-VA; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:49:34 -0800 Received: by qyl38 with SMTP id 38sf4232095qyl.16 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:49:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=ykcSmBWjuDX9T+beQHeTsuS257anzDrNmMNJMW5loQE=; b=B6x1w/JZktXlX+O29Tdw1tX716rTI66T4NUiXUfbnDS90reBlg3o/TKlEVL6PZ6JQb 02Ygha/baDF4iVlZcr4dgQvbD97n9GYy62mzhMonMtvcf3sjdrATBzKwPAUuoWdSlWr4 1b2tq7cmw3b7ciH6p75lLxYbfWjvjX8kQy70c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=L2rBJwzKW2cMpqxfQZyDaXy5PiMiMCHnUNKMjhGvNPBQ3zIAr3bWqgetmayuvT6bBo OKABLsz2FFUHNSy/1Lo+6L+qOEikfvwi1Hkv2SsdOiLgXhmIvpGActJDbnK93YYzQLSm Qa28bZzhgBQ+8AswKNtpqqAFeWxj2LViz3pJA= Received: by 10.229.231.5 with SMTP id jo5mr179283qcb.10.1296107355506; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:49:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls417264qck.0.p; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.236.81 with SMTP id kj17mr156323qcb.27.1296107354801; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.236.81 with SMTP id kj17mr156322qcb.27.1296107354783; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y9si3590874qcc.4.2011.01.26.21.49.10; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pepdxKapwHuwCZNFD5uob2wvham6E+RljB0uXw08FdQ= c=1 sm=0 a=6Jriy9Y56kAA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=iNNEGR96yrLl6kLKAbUA:9 a=ojCDTF0XCrxjvFNi1Zfq52G9zCMA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:47628] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C7/1C-19545-457014D4; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:49:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB431A24B for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:49:08 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] 3 ways of writing lojban was: proposed grammar definition for ZOhOI Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:49:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20110125204806.GB35838@alice.local> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201101270049.05479.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 26 January 2011 22:47:21 Ross Ogilvie wrote: > The problem is if you want to allow a decimal point (or other > shorthands overloading the meaning of a symbol) then you will need to > put it in the parsing rules to figure out whether a dot is a decimal > point (only allowed in a string of PA for example) or a pause. Worse than that: "1963-12-18" could be read as "pasoxaci pi'e pare pi'e pab= i"=20 or "pasoxaci vu'u pare vu'u pabi", depending on context. On Wednesday 26 January 2011 20:18:02 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > pe'i there should be 3 ways of writing lojban: > 3. Visual shorthand: It will develop anyway, so it's best to standardi= ze > it. e.g. {xu} can be *replaced* by a question mark, {to} and {to'o} > might be *replaced* by left and right parentheses, etc. It would make > sense to speak of {xubu}, the grapheme representing the cmavo {xu} "xu" should not be replaced by a question mark, any more than Russian "=D0= =BB=D0=B8" is.=20 And the question mark should be at the end of the sentence, not next to the= =20 question word, unless you use an Armenian question mark. I also think that mode 3 should support abbreviations and symbols. Since so= me=20 of them (such as "ku", which is equivalent to "kDa" as a unit symbol) look= =20 like Lojban words, I propose this rule: If a word contains the character = =D5=9F,=20 which was used in Armenian for the purpose, it's an abbreviation, and it ha= s=20 to be expanded before being passed to the parser. The expansion is=20 context-dependent; e.g. "mi benji lo Mg=D5=9F 2 Mg=D5=9F" expands to "mi be= nji lo=20 megygra be li re lidgusyjinme". Pierre --=20 The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.