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And the one-letter and one-syllable " and"s of Lojban are outnumbered by the at-least- two -letter and two-syllable forms, probably even in running text.

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On Jan 29, 2011, at 21:33, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:

Also, wouldn't we care more about syllable usage?  In which case, "and" and "joi" are as good.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
before getting too high on our galxirma do keep in mind that a (probably more) common form of english "and" takes 3 letters in lojban also... {joi}  ;)


On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
 How come Spanish, Polish, Hebrew and lojban use only a single letter
for the concept "and", and English uses three?  Why are we so
inefficient?

 Inquiring minds want to know....
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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>And the one-letter and one-syllable " =
and"s of Lojban are outnumbered by the at-least- two -letter and two-syllab=
le forms, probably even in running text.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div=
><br>On Jan 29, 2011, at 21:33, Alex Rozenshteyn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpgl=
over64@gmail.com">rpglover64@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Also, wouldn't we care more about syllabl=
e usage? &nbsp;In which case, "and" and "joi" are as good.<br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Luke Bergen <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com"><a href=3D"mailto:luk=
eabergen@gmail.com">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">before getting too high on our galxirma do =
keep in mind that a (probably more) common form of english "and" takes 3 le=
tters in lojban also... {joi} &nbsp;;)<div>
<div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan=
 29, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:mturnians=
ky@gmail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> &nbsp;How come Spanish, Polish, Hebrew and =
lojban use only a single letter<br>
for the concept "and", and English uses three? &nbsp;Why are we so<br>
inefficient?<br>
<br>
 &nbsp;Inquiring minds want to know....<br>
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