From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEKqmluoEGgTTmKcp@googlegroups.com Sun Jan 30 08:35:07 2011 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjaEw-0006Pf-2f; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:35:07 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf1897470pwi.16 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:34:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=juk3E6BqO1vdglAr8surbVRAHIDyaLfJcV3teKW0sV4=; b=3FHe9tPQTZYlYBg5osS2Um/zdtwZ+Bo3++PWlvWtHJ0SLAo+OViimMI5gacj3S3puZ ZCgDelo7O1naco39yA7Wuio7x+BUpe4pQry/xd0+X2xy9y4DVj575afCMdBOfbzeAycu 9v6Kk7O5ONjtUgwO89E0ZbvA56aCXjjfPIJEM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=xCI0PglW/FVM0HvuLW0r0vQxYO0Xf0zk5TKizxAEgSrbDQgoyQLyUsS/UFwAoPpvyf O0L3Q13EnmorQMxexgbYqlFipXGzGgYlt+cGySYn7uuHhdJISP/sXRiGSPxcOfdK2ufq 0EyoT2hW5SEUK++sms0PqZHH9PVngcYauFcvA= Received: by 10.142.170.18 with SMTP id s18mr327538wfe.1.1296405290485; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:34:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.41 with SMTP id 41ls6502412wfb.0.p; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.234.19 with SMTP id g19mr1124795wfh.20.1296405288754; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.234.19 with SMTP id g19mr1124794wfh.20.1296405288723; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w1si10485803wfo.5.2011.01.30.08.34.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjaEi-0006Pb-0M for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:34:48 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:34:47 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Smart.fm going on subscription model. Message-ID: <20110130163447.GP26224@digitalkingdom.org> References: <3dd48a07-d552-4b3c-a617-41fb3bd499f3@f36g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3dd48a07-d552-4b3c-a617-41fb3bd499f3@f36g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 02:58:43PM -0800, Zifre wrote: > Anki already has a shared deck for all the gismu and all the > cmavo. I'm not sure what other useful smart.fm decks there were, > besides the attitudinals and the vocative deck that I created. (If > anyone wants, I can recreate those on Anki.) I would really like a deck with each place for each gismu, like smart.fm had; that made a real difference to my learning. I would also like Anki decks with the sound files included. You can find the files at http://lojban.org/~rlpowell/smartfm_valsi_files.zip ; that has all the gismu, all the lo+SE+gismu, and all the cmavo, but none of the cmavo compounds. The vast majority of them are espeak, but some of the gismu and "lo" and all the SE are by Lindar. If the Anki cmavo deck has compounds, make a list and post it here; whoever did the espeak is around somewhere. > Anyways, I don't think this is a big loss. I initially used > smart.fm and liked it, until I tried Anki, and learned how > pathetic smart.fm is. You literally spend at least twice as much > time to review the same amount of material, and you don't even > remember it as well because the algorithm is so bad. Also, > smart.fm is multiple choice, which is not nearly as good for > memory as complete recall like in Anki. A lot of us enjoyed the multiple choice experience more, however; it's much less subjective. I often find myself agonizing over which "how well did you remember this?" button to push, which slows everything down and makes it annoying and a bit frustrating. If it simply had "did you get this right?", and picked how long to wait to quiz me again based on how long I took to answer, that would be much better, for example. > Right now, I can easily go through ~200 reviews per day with Anki, > but doing that much in smart.fm would be painful... Yeah, the app is shit and very slow, no question. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.