From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDLqZbqBBoEqtLG6Q@googlegroups.com Sun Jan 30 08:42:20 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjaLu-0006g1-Rb; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:42:20 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf3189504gxk.16 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=P9OzfrfiJbyOTqbQxnz6JH8kPWn6DuneBH/keOwQnD4=; b=R3wLJIfy57+SApn50OmRUjPjj8FItj/q69FqYFQGUclkrRAnDTDcbufzrFDQ/ryjup vFB3V1UWas8oGAjPUeMueEa9xC7R6yAdm1QwQW/KCAykhYkovt9RmkPq6IbMnLzcG/3C c/3r+fTiv6p/khAAkPStJKauPdVEuUFUErZrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=qkhb8G58+e/WR167y06Q/uDkODw+4cPzbwITqxIN7eWb0uqnDCAGwOXq4STejUyEZI Xz+GTCFZuxUd6bcw1oF5sTOFkJbC1CbEt3LJdeNU6MlvIH0Sk69iLOTdP4AmQbcvz9Uw XzMeH52CyzLPN2ruFgvDrlWG+fB7TpmRyvJKg= Received: by 10.236.110.135 with SMTP id u7mr353433yhg.9.1296405707800; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.200.3 with SMTP id eu3ls4712599ibb.1.p; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.172.146 with SMTP id l18mr2412465ibz.2.1296405706745; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.172.146 with SMTP id l18mr2412464ibz.2.1296405706718; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si4803341ibq.3.2011.01.30.08.41.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.182; Received: by mail-iy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 26so4224762iyb.13 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.37.1 with SMTP id v1mr5365323ibd.176.1296405705231; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.2 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110130163447.GP26224@digitalkingdom.org> References: <3dd48a07-d552-4b3c-a617-41fb3bd499f3@f36g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <20110130163447.GP26224@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:41:45 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Smart.fm going on subscription model. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d5f0d8b8cfc049b12f973 --0022152d5f0d8b8cfc049b12f973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 02:58:43PM -0800, Zifre wrote: > > Anki already has a shared deck for all the gismu and all the > > cmavo. I'm not sure what other useful smart.fm decks there were, > > besides the attitudinals and the vocative deck that I created. (If > > anyone wants, I can recreate those on Anki.) > > I would really like a deck with each place for each gismu, like > smart.fm had; that made a real difference to my learning. > > I would also like Anki decks with the sound files included. You can > find the files at > http://lojban.org/~rlpowell/smartfm_valsi_files.zip; that has all > the gismu, all the lo+SE+gismu, and all the cmavo, but none of the > cmavo compounds. The vast majority of them are espeak, but some of > the gismu and "lo" and all the SE are by Lindar. If the Anki cmavo > deck has compounds, make a list and post it here; whoever did the > espeak is around somewhere. > > > Anyways, I don't think this is a big loss. I initially used > > smart.fm and liked it, until I tried Anki, and learned how > > pathetic smart.fm is. You literally spend at least twice as much > > time to review the same amount of material, and you don't even > > remember it as well because the algorithm is so bad. Also, > > smart.fm is multiple choice, which is not nearly as good for > > memory as complete recall like in Anki. > > A lot of us enjoyed the multiple choice experience more, however; > it's much less subjective. I often find myself agonizing over which > "how well did you remember this?" button to push, which slows > everything down and makes it annoying and a bit frustrating. > > If it simply had "did you get this right?", and picked how long to > wait to quiz me again based on how long I took to answer, that would > be much better, for example. > > > Right now, I can easily go through ~200 reviews per day with Anki, > > but doing that much in smart.fm would be painful... > > Yeah, the app is shit and very slow, no question. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > Agreed on all counts. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Robin Lee Powel= l <rlpo= well@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 02:58:43PM -0800, Zifre wrote: > Anki already has a shared deck for all the gismu and all the
> cmavo. I'm not sure what other useful smart.fm decks there were,
> besides the attitudinals and the vocative deck that I created. (If
> anyone wants, I can recreate those on Anki.)

I would really like a deck with each place for each gismu, like
smart.fm had; that made a= real difference to my learning.

I would also like Anki decks with the sound files included. =A0You can
find the files at
http://lojban.org/~rlpowell/smartfm_valsi_files.zip ; that has= all
the gismu, all the lo+SE+gismu, and all the cmavo, but none of the
cmavo compounds. =A0The vast majority of them are espeak, but some of
the gismu and "lo" and all the SE are by Lindar. =A0If the Anki c= mavo
deck has compounds, make a list and post it here; whoever did the
espeak is around somewhere.

> Anyways, I don't think this is a big loss. I initially used
> smart.fm and liked i= t, until I tried Anki, and learned how
> pathetic smart.fm is= . You literally spend at least twice as much
> time to review the same amount of material, and you don't even
> remember it as well because the algorithm is so bad. Also,
> smart.fm is multiple= choice, which is not nearly as good for
> memory as complete recall like in Anki.

A lot of us enjoyed the multiple choice experience more, however;
it's much less subjective. =A0I often find myself agonizing over which<= br> "how well did you remember this?" button to push, which slows
everything down and makes it annoying and a bit frustrating.

If it simply had "did you get this right?", and picked how long t= o
wait to quiz me again based on how long I took to answer, that would
be much better, for example.

> Right now, I can easily go through ~200 reviews per day with Anki,
> but doing that much in s= mart.fm would be painful...

Yeah, the app is shit and very slow, no question.

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/

Agreed on all counts.

-= -
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe l= o pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Si= de! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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