From lojban+bncCJGY6cDlFhD265bqBBoEsKkoLg@googlegroups.com Sun Jan 30 11:03:36 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjcYc-0007JJ-Cq; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:03:35 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf2236888fxm.16 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:03:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+IYz5xylNQQX1Uz+h9Qejs3nAC5izKj1p3zHcWGriIA=; b=EyxzHd5olratfgaluk6bIqs9sPXYC7jLrmoBTX6Ek67KzVoyaraWiUeA0p25zX9Ql5 dRIOfkqCKMRivfe7qCHGB9K0XiVBRi2j2aXL8R2OlyFo61K347FP2ZU/S+aXmxhpFJnA cuOF5Q/WjzNyRhnfT9jA9an5N50NOWuZBWskY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=FFX1HhywzaTi3Xrxm+q8/GOlGoZ8CDjcPy0c4HFTl5ZVZVr//bDLlVC7QJDj2360zC f9jMKn8q/EN0Uef8suUP/zjOsJKxM6bbmV7AdjGLnC8SeTm+/3Xp7Cv+ZgXZU0zHMVp1 gVB6JsibQMXxgtrj2N3AMkv9BNJeBF9zenjBk= Received: by 10.223.105.133 with SMTP id t5mr415528fao.17.1296414198089; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:03:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.86.4 with SMTP id q4ls1218061fal.0.p; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.97.8 with SMTP id j8mr458748fan.5.1296414195826; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.97.8 with SMTP id j8mr458747fan.5.1296414195784; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f49.google.com (mail-fx0-f49.google.com [209.85.161.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r13si2313138fah.15.2011.01.30.11.03.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.49; Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so6169656fxm.22 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.118.136 with SMTP id v8mr5062181faq.90.1296414194619; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:03:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.121.206 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:02:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3dd48a07-d552-4b3c-a617-41fb3bd499f3@f36g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <20110130163447.GP26224@digitalkingdom.org> From: Oren Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:02:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Smart.fm going on subscription model. To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b4c28d55b8049b14f348 --001636c5b4c28d55b8049b14f348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Since Anki's so open source, why come we don't just take a shot at a plugin https://github.com/dae/ankiplugins Fork it! The request is for an algortihm that chooses good 'distractors' to make the multiple choice harder. It seems to me that at least getting a random set of distractors should be effective enough and pretty simple... who's good with Python? On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:41, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 02:58:43PM -0800, Zifre wrote: >> > Anki already has a shared deck for all the gismu and all the >> > cmavo. I'm not sure what other useful smart.fm decks there were, >> > besides the attitudinals and the vocative deck that I created. (If >> > anyone wants, I can recreate those on Anki.) >> >> I would really like a deck with each place for each gismu, like >> smart.fm had; that made a real difference to my learning. >> >> I would also like Anki decks with the sound files included. You can >> find the files at >> http://lojban.org/~rlpowell/smartfm_valsi_files.zip; that has all >> the gismu, all the lo+SE+gismu, and all the cmavo, but none of the >> cmavo compounds. The vast majority of them are espeak, but some of >> the gismu and "lo" and all the SE are by Lindar. If the Anki cmavo >> deck has compounds, make a list and post it here; whoever did the >> espeak is around somewhere. >> >> > Anyways, I don't think this is a big loss. I initially used >> > smart.fm and liked it, until I tried Anki, and learned how >> > pathetic smart.fm is. You literally spend at least twice as much >> > time to review the same amount of material, and you don't even >> > remember it as well because the algorithm is so bad. Also, >> > smart.fm is multiple choice, which is not nearly as good for >> > memory as complete recall like in Anki. >> >> A lot of us enjoyed the multiple choice experience more, however; >> it's much less subjective. I often find myself agonizing over which >> "how well did you remember this?" button to push, which slows >> everything down and makes it annoying and a bit frustrating. >> >> If it simply had "did you get this right?", and picked how long to >> wait to quiz me again based on how long I took to answer, that would >> be much better, for example. >> >> > Right now, I can easily go through ~200 reviews per day with Anki, >> > but doing that much in smart.fm would be painful... >> >> Yeah, the app is shit and very slow, no question. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot >> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" >> is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ >> > > Agreed on all counts. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Since Anki's so open source, why come we don't jus= t take a shot at a plugin=A0ht= tps://github.com/dae/ankiplugins

Fork it! = The request is for an algortihm that chooses good 'distractors' to = make the multiple choice harder. It seems to me that at least getting a ran= dom set of distractors should be effective enough and pretty simple... who&= #39;s good with Python?

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:41, Jonathan Jone= s <eyeonus@gmail.= com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 30= , 2011 at 9:34 AM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org= > wrote:
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 02:58:43PM -0800, Zifre wrote:
> Anki already has a shared deck for all the gismu and all the
> cmavo. I'm not sure what other useful smart.fm decks there were,
> besides the attitudinals and the vocative deck that I created. (If
> anyone wants, I can recreate those on Anki.)

I would really like a deck with each place for each gismu, like
smart.fm had; that made a= real difference to my learning.

I would also like Anki decks with the sound files included. =A0You can
find the files at
http://lojban.org/~rlpowell/smartfm_valsi_files.zip ; that has= all
the gismu, all the lo+SE+gismu, and all the cmavo, but none of the
cmavo compounds. =A0The vast majority of them are espeak, but some of
the gismu and "lo" and all the SE are by Lindar. =A0If the Anki c= mavo
deck has compounds, make a list and post it here; whoever did the
espeak is around somewhere.

> Anyways, I don't think this is a big loss. I initially used
> smart.fm and liked i= t, until I tried Anki, and learned how
> pathetic smart.fm is= . You literally spend at least twice as much
> time to review the same amount of material, and you don't even
> remember it as well because the algorithm is so bad. Also,
> smart.fm is multiple= choice, which is not nearly as good for
> memory as complete recall like in Anki.

A lot of us enjoyed the multiple choice experience more, however;
it's much less subjective. =A0I often find myself agonizing over which<= br> "how well did you remember this?" button to push, which slows
everything down and makes it annoying and a bit frustrating.

If it simply had "did you get this right?", and picked how long t= o
wait to quiz me again based on how long I took to answer, that would
be much better, for example.

> Right now, I can easily go through ~200 reviews per day with Anki,
> but doing that much in s= mart.fm would be painful...

Yeah, the app is shit and very slow, no question.

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/

Agreed on all counts.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe l= o pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Si= de! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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