From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD7wZrqBBoESEDGNg@googlegroups.com Mon Jan 31 03:46:27 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjsD8-0006Fy-Qt; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:46:26 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf6223954wwb.16 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:46:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FBkmKslqtN9mgQSux+f3y/R+8nT1VoQrpYiGzARsMNI=; b=Am4YS4XGIDTiGo53+Iqsvj9Iyc3VbkyVFJaMyVITLtoJJPuCfp3PGVFrzuaujckxVD gFUPimY42kSH8zWB4r/GSQ7ETghv8EoHCw552HBhjxIqQ37MceAehaLtfHozeeqcRWoM v2b03KgZsdFuVzQC+EkaRpGbdANTDgKvyHJuM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dz3JeoTdP4WsDO8R2Jq5UqX+IUvVRZmhxpr9UNbYzdseprwZeSdnt5oSI2H2zWhpqD m69UaH+EODhtCyU95bONPtuTain8fvrXlwuQfMqE+rw3Luy8awTsYzKmT1aLFi4SK1fw iiswOvx6AV/SCG5tarklkspwyl2W6lKpr0JDM= Received: by 10.216.72.65 with SMTP id s43mr2592856wed.1.1296474363050; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:46:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.184.76 with SMTP id cj12ls2181948wbb.3.p; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.134.203 with SMTP id k11mr278794wbt.0.1296474361802; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.134.203 with SMTP id k11mr278793wbt.0.1296474361780; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f14si2737871wbu.5.2011.01.31.03.46.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:46:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.175; Received: by mail-wy0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 40so5296142wyb.6 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:46:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.146.142 with SMTP id h14mr6001336wbv.106.1296474356513; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.10 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:45:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:45:53 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] VAU CEI From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > {cei} is sorta hard to use. You have to realize that you're going to hold > basically your entire bridi (unless you override the sumti later) in a > variable, and you have to do that right as you say the selbri, or the > grammatical opportunity goes away. "cei" assigns a selbri, not a whole bridi. It is only a matter of context that if you don't explicitely fill the arguments of the assigned "broda", the obvious values will tend to be those used in the bridi where you made the assignment. > In some sense the way {cei} works now is > like a forethought connective. I'm proposing that it have an afterthought > counterpart; that is, that VAU CEI become grammatical, and that it do pretty > much what you expect: > ko'a broda ko'e ko'i vau cei brode == ko'a broda cei brode ko'e ko'i. That could be added to the grammar, but what you are assigning to brode is "broda" (assuming "broda" already has a value). mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.