From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCn1JLpBBoEU3y8Sg@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 05 09:28:26 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PaX9q-00025O-2q; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:26 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf53066706qyk.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ryp5G9sm75kZ/MWTvR/iPDsPzygIpH2z+8lUX6E/Gtk=; b=4BKbbCrAls7/tT9mvhOoNvZb4vJWXkdChHOybxitSDr6IDaPlo1d5uLzuwOaIaUyUl d2K/7IVd0G8k95nc2YOoEN2LX7YJ8iD68wiVlCkLpVYVtTefVq60E+p0IwNgDA7JPlB+ KJFvRhaUWCN1naIcACZYhAKQ5hYbq7JKyufm0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=udA8zava9TP2imcvXeTfXpb5U9NtQLtknAMMa/evuTefge1MyffEzAN67S+7Gi2xa2 jZy5Sp1cOCXVYHtkJ6u2p5ZHl0vA83Wwnt62WYshvE+ba+PIvuvovYSZN6Ev5bT6pmld eboTecrvCivQPCRxdggn4qMa0GfkR+6znSZUg= Received: by 10.229.111.226 with SMTP id t34mr3240200qcp.25.1294248487095; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.197.8 with SMTP id ei8ls3875379qcb.1.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.32.6 with SMTP id a6mr2413299qcd.8.1294248486176; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.32.6 with SMTP id a6mr2413297qcd.8.1294248486090; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l11si4322368qcg.0.2011.01.05.09.28.05; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.44; Received: by mail-vw0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 7so6325986vws.31 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.99.130 with SMTP id u2mr20877567qcn.87.1294248484468; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.227.73 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:28:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b845c2af71d04991cb57d --0016363b845c2af71d04991cb57d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Matt Arnold wrote: > Thank you, Robin. You're absolutely right. A language can be finished > even when there is an infinity of work left to be done in its > universe. Lojban has been a finished language for years. I drifted > away and lost interest not because of the language itself, but the > culture of perfectionism. > > I agree with Robin too. As I said in that thread: LOJBAN WORKS! If I can't see how to say something it's because there are things that I don't know, not because of flaw in the language. Just by translating things into lojban I learned a lot and I'm firmly convinced that Lojban expressiveness is equivalent (if not superior) to natural languages. I feel it's just that I don't know how to use all the feature of the language. I'm not against exploring how much {si} will make the universe collapse in a black hole. It may be fun and entertaining, but I'm much more interested in understanding real cases of use of the language. 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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Robin. You're absolutely right. A language can be finished even when there is an infinity of work left to be done in its
universe.=A0
Lojban has been a finished language for years. I drifted
away and lost interest not because of the language itself, but the
culture of perfectionism.


= I agree with Robin too. As I said in that thread: LOJBAN WORKS!

If = I can't see how to say something it's because there are things that= I don't know, not because of flaw in the language.

Just by translating things into lojban I learned a lot and I'm firm= ly convinced that Lojban expressiveness is equivalent (if not superior) to = natural languages.

I feel it's just that I don't know how t= o use all the feature of the language.

I'm not against exploring how much {si} will make the universe coll= apse in a black hole. It may be fun and entertaining, but I'm much more= interested in understanding real cases of use of the language.

I would feel better, however, if more people would start *using* it rather = than just exploring the sharp corners for the sake of doing it.

=A0<= /div>

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