From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBCH9ZPpBBoEWIp4Dg@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 05 15:11:17 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PacVd-0007S1-DV; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:11:17 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf53616026qyk.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:11:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=unjfgXQboZ+27sHzWrdZlP0t9l2bm7U79J16CoDOAO0=; b=R6nSuxXxU2bgkHyCVnTOAGm5q0z9RZXFujxFNSpLtLUDhg4I5UcJkBeGNz0SiNAvbf nsZdXXskFMEA853i2Sc1Qy4n88G/aS/6nkCVcxXy2fwHm/EBObnbTmZkA4u8gzpaklp/ eSKM/7YXe0LMWkKvuBMw0fhfSz/0NYXM4wojs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=XlAPProxYcF79VTjflRUflde9pmA5zS1tLFoaSAjvVidUs29sR8q+akpZFg5crWOe1 bFJXuFGpQQextP0+nH7gfCtOS+QLxOOsSAZ5MCgebre9KUvisUUVAP6rrmzCt6SZrc7Z cmpGtxzi2QVrF4VVC/dum92ZThNTo2rDgHgnw= Received: by 10.229.106.5 with SMTP id v5mr3303362qco.24.1294269063605; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:11:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.75.218 with SMTP id z26ls5319554qcj.3.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.31.17 with SMTP id w17mr2524947qcc.7.1294269063124; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.31.17 with SMTP id w17mr2524946qcc.7.1294269063096; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f51.google.com (mail-qw0-f51.google.com [209.85.216.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l11si4382720qcg.8.2011.01.05.15.11.02; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.51; Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8so16693427qwj.10 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:11:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.28.213 with SMTP id n21mr22550919qac.64.1294269062003; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.176.71 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:11:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:11:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517503b26af3d310499217f9e --001517503b26af3d310499217f9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 5 January 2011 23:05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > As for the title/subject, I never said that lojban is *broken*, pardon > me, I > > only said that it isn't finished, > > You did, actually: > > it's a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which > lojban is very far from being at the moment > > "far from functioning" is very different from "incomplete". You have misquoted me. My words were, as you quoted them correctly the first time: "[Esperanto is] a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which lojban is very far from being at the moment." So what I *have* said about lojban, is that it's "far from being a fully defined, complete and functioning language", not just that it's "far from functioning". I have to say that I'm disappointed and surprised at the same time at the irony of having my words so terribly misinterpreted and misunderstood by a lojban enthusiast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001517503b26af3d310499217f9e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 5 January 2011 23:05, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@dig= italkingdom.org> wrote:
> As for the title/subject, I never said that lo= jban is *broken*, pardon me, I
> only said that it isn't finished,

You did, actually:

=A0it's a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which
=A0lojban is very far from being at the moment

"far from functioning" is very different from "incomplete&qu= ot;.

You have misquoted me. My words were, as you quo= ted them correctly the first time:

"[Esperanto is] a fully defi= ned, complete and functioning language, which
=A0lojban is very far from being at the moment."

So what I *ha= ve* said about lojban, is that it's "far from being a fully define= d, complete and functioning language", not just that it's "fa= r from functioning".


I have to say that I'm disappointed and surprised at the same t= ime at the irony of having my words so terribly misinterpreted and misunder= stood by a lojban enthusiast.

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