From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDqnpTpBBoED6q8pw@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 05 16:40:27 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Padts-0007M6-CM; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:40:26 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf15004803yxn.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:40:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eQMvBAJHKZGFA5CS3Swj3lk6aaSLpz1TEzvPv3zsmF8=; b=L2zqs1eUkvHsRGsnMABXcLt3XwJDw5Wnn9f5yOn6GWc1888obFOTy1huFtXahlxDkJ kQfMiOZreXEyVRhl0HvWsSMTEawTZutbBvgxtRIvwjyMYC20z6/fOL3C7QeH4w4MsoxS maKQtFv0T4DrtSn0beyptiZBweIlMJqDYyP/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Erfs+uIpbLqR4acQQ28O2TbkJ8ehSUoKQdh+cGm2pS1EeAwxCyoNLy5K8KlNkMPdnc Wnx46TcXGQtKCiWvWtaW3WetwQhXgl9ISByiRZ2Pq+4P7HSYDeJ878s6XkTbF43qg9sx cavjz26Lp4Bk/WCZ5bPG113QfIftBBlVXLlfE= Received: by 10.90.68.15 with SMTP id q15mr94216aga.37.1294274410213; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:40:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls11457755ibk.3.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.14.67 with SMTP id f3mr8228182iba.15.1294274409215; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.14.67 with SMTP id f3mr8228180iba.15.1294274409187; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j25si5298474ibb.4.2011.01.05.16.40.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.174; Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so15793101iwn.19 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:40:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.15.133 with SMTP id k5mr23079579iba.187.1294274408016; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.14.197 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:40:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:40:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555f11a54e9d9049922be89 --00032555f11a54e9d9049922be89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 actually I read it the same way. Esperanto is X, Y, and Z. lojban is far from being [that] at the moment. = lojban is far from X, Y, AND Z. = lojban is far from X AND lojban is far from Y AND lojban is far from Z. If that's not what you meant to communicate maybe you should try saying it in lojban next time ;) On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Ivo Doko wrote: > On 5 January 2011 23:05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >> > As for the title/subject, I never said that lojban is *broken*, pardon >> me, I >> > only said that it isn't finished, >> >> You did, actually: >> >> it's a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which >> lojban is very far from being at the moment >> >> "far from functioning" is very different from "incomplete". > > > You have misquoted me. My words were, as you quoted them correctly the > first time: > > "[Esperanto is] a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which > lojban is very far from being at the moment." > > So what I *have* said about lojban, is that it's "far from being a fully > defined, complete and functioning language", not just that it's "far from > functioning". > > > I have to say that I'm disappointed and surprised at the same time at the > irony of having my words so terribly misinterpreted and misunderstood by a > lojban enthusiast. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00032555f11a54e9d9049922be89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable actually I read it the same way.

Esperanto is X, Y, and = Z. =A0lojban is far from being [that] at the moment.
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lojban is far from X, Y, AND Z.
=3D
lojban is far fro= m X AND lojban is far from Y AND lojban is far from Z.

If that's not what you meant to communicate maybe y= ou should try saying it in lojban next time ;)

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Ivo Doko <= ;ivo.doko@gmail.com> wr= ote:
On 5 January 2011 23:05, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalk= ingdom.org> wrote:
> As for the title/subject, I never said that lojban is *brok= en*, pardon me, I
> only said that it isn't finished,

You did, actually:

=A0it's a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which
=A0lojban is very far from being at the moment

"far from functioning" is very different from "incomplete&qu= ot;.

You have misquoted me. My words were, as y= ou quoted them correctly the first time:

"[Esperanto is] a full= y defined, complete and functioning language, which
=A0lojban is very far from being at the moment."

So what I *ha= ve* said about lojban, is that it's "far from being a fully define= d, complete and functioning language", not just that it's "fa= r from functioning".


I have to say that I'm disappointed and surprised at the same t= ime at the irony of having my words so terribly misinterpreted and misunder= stood by a lojban enthusiast.

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