From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCYopTpBBoEgi0XeA@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 05 16:47:34 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pae0p-0007V3-3S; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:47:34 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf15008136yxn.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:47:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JvSmfvbrteNZHzeCk8d3I3X79w5cdLt17nFynnMbZdQ=; b=aWJM4Z7vHUHGEL0JjR346ZI5VpzTVl0Dwt+YcFSMoKp7B1lqP15EDJQndE5OjO9/Ym 1YUx1PrCA8MNijPKml7chndKRt/qtE93P/P35vZn2jwl1zZIumkLDA5O5jI9fsS3KBiz x7VYsnvt6krjn1+hwrFF4SLjyiZXEScn7k4l4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=tDqAUbClho63B+qh5X07CxSjirlzbv/qTDwY5eohf/UW0jGeJzYpkE+H031qB8Fmye LFKnXDFunY+t64amt60IL76vz8vxr3d5jaG8lZRvjGHDD0QIRuES8+iGWF1Sq4HlB8Nj WWFpYek6i7A2DSVsPZMHAUzcCTeB2zKv+pKro= Received: by 10.150.68.35 with SMTP id q35mr1647131yba.54.1294274840706; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:47:20 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.225 with SMTP id d33ls12823058ibk.2.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.11.193 with SMTP id u1mr8954235ibu.7.1294274839841; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.11.193 with SMTP id u1mr8954234ibu.7.1294274839744; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f176.google.com (mail-iy0-f176.google.com [209.85.210.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d9si5300296ibq.3.2011.01.05.16.47.18; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.176; Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so17158354iyb.35 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:47:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.145.209 with SMTP id e17mr7772718ibv.43.1294274838548; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.140 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:47:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3460195.1058.1293997919114.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prho17> <6f6f786d-3db8-4c42-9abf-7a69f510b8e9@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:47:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: larlermorna From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64754a2fe506c049922d7c0 --0016e64754a2fe506c049922d7c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > >> that is sexy as lo ki'oki'o rupnu gleve'u. Although I don't see the >> dypthongs for uV or iV in that diagram. > > {iV} and {uV} diphthongs are formed by either a line above or below the V. Here's the picture Lindar made to show {iV} and {uV} diphthong formation: http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289106614940.png > Also, what are the "alt vowels"? >> >> > They are for when you need to write vowels on their own. > > To simplify I would say that a symbol of the wovel grid is identified > either by being within a consonant or by being dotted. > > Remo > No, no, the "alt. vowels" is the alternate grid for vowels someone suggeste= d in the discussion for the script. Lindar's vowel grid had a, e, i, o, u, in the first five grid spaces, starting from the bottom left and going up, the= n right, and the four diphthongs filled in the remaining four grids. The alt. vowel grid has the vowels in the four corners and the middle, with each of the diphthongs being equal to the mesh of it's two vowels, with the unfortunate exception of {ei}. (ex.: {a} "=E2=94=8C" + {u} "=E2=94=90" =3D = {au} "=E2=94=8C=E2=94=90") Vowels by themselves are written above a ".", "|", or "^" symbol, as in the example text. The two grids are /not/ interchangeable. I included the alt. grid because I like it better - the other is Lindar's "official" one. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e64754a2fe506c049922d7c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com= > wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:20 AM= , Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
that is sexy as lo ki'oki'o rupnu gleve'u. =C2=A0Although I don= 't see the dypthongs for uV or iV in that diagram.

{iV} and {uV} diphthongs are formed by either a l= ine above or below the V.

Here's the picture Lindar made to show {iV} and {uV} diphthong form= ation: http://jb= otcan.org/ideas/src/1289106614940.png
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=C2=A0Also, what are the "alt vowels"= ;?


They are for when you need to write vowel= s on their own.

To simplify I would say that a symbol of the wovel grid is identified e= ither by being within a consonant or by being dotted.

Remo

No, no, the &quo= t;alt. vowels" is the alternate grid for vowels someone suggested in t= he discussion for the script. Lindar's vowel grid had a, e, i, o, u, in= the first five grid spaces, starting from the bottom left and going up, th= en right, and the four diphthongs filled in the remaining four grids.

The alt. vowel grid has the vowels in the four corners and the middle, = with each of the diphthongs being equal to the mesh of it's two vowels,= with the unfortunate exception of {ei}. (ex.: {a} "=E2=94=8C" + = {u} "=E2=94=90" =3D {au} "=E2=94=8C=E2=94=90")

Vowels by themselves are written above a ".", "|", = or "^" symbol, as in the example text.

The two grids are /= not/ interchangeable. I included the alt. grid because I like it better - t= he other is Lindar's "official" one.

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.i.a'o.e'e= ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o=
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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