From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBCotJTpBBoE4JynOw@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 05 17:26:16 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PaecF-0007Xz-OT; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:26:16 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf53670171qwd.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:26:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4cuFYaJ94nXPmne+uRqCzv9MD/FBXmBPscm8HNvAJ5A=; b=iswf0kFj9fUVMm+lO94x/FtHGwFEyTR68TRhSVjBNGv+BILFFN2HVjNpikFGXznj1k NnC5VurrPWBPVOAAcGv+sqiGozMn2jt4rC1Yxi24iMHAWDI5pxKbvH9f3mOxhzwBt0Fv nPtvVFjnTY3NTLuiXs4ooKPAmgOnNDUfjmiO0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=o/OY/6voQMsqRK+cWVys8ba8PwHFCn6CzShkG3zOVYcRLL6As0bE3nY+9Xqp9CDxt0 Q7KNDawtBEvu11l6+sNNsM4K61pGSc7r/hy8QafJ7MNCWY6Z/2AYX8PtVDdoT23F7o0z x8Fx8/dQHeHHdn6GvjzldYcmBv/jo0OzbUNvE= Received: by 10.229.106.5 with SMTP id v5mr3313072qco.24.1294277160948; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.80.196 with SMTP id u4ls6504394qck.0.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.77.95 with SMTP id f31mr2524157qck.27.1294277160367; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.77.95 with SMTP id f31mr2524156qck.27.1294277160340; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com (mail-vw0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j6si4402961qcu.10.2011.01.05.17.25.59; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so6208452vws.0 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:25:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.201.2 with SMTP id ey2mr2836890vcb.69.1294277159005; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.176.71 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:25:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 02:25:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53a2fa4dae6d0499236200 --90e6ba53a2fa4dae6d0499236200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6 January 2011 01:40, Luke Bergen wrote: > actually I read it the same way. > > Esperanto is X, Y, and Z. lojban is far from being [that] at the moment. > =3D > lojban is far from X, Y, AND Z. > =3D > lojban is far from X AND lojban is far from Y AND lojban is far from Z. > > If that's not what you meant to communicate maybe you should try saying i= t > in lojban next time ;) > Wow, you guys need to learn your logic. Let's do it properly: A =3D "lojban is fully defined." B =3D "lojban is complete." C =3D "lojban is a functioning language." "lojban is not a fully defined, complete and functioning language" can be written as: =C2=AC(A =E2=88=A7 B =E2=88=A7 C) which is equivalent to: =C2=ACA =E2=88=A8 =C2=ACB =E2=88=A8 =C2=ACC which is: "lojban is not fully defined, or lojban is not complete, or lojban is not a functioning language." --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --90e6ba53a2fa4dae6d0499236200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 6 January 2011 01:40, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com= > wrote:
actually I read it the same way.

Esperanto is X, Y, and = Z. =C2=A0lojban is far from being [that] at the moment.
=3D
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lojban is far from X, Y, AND Z.
=3D
lojban is far = from X AND lojban is far from Y AND lojban is far from Z.

If that's not what you meant to communicate maybe y= ou should try saying it in lojban next time ;)

W= ow, you guys need to learn your logic. Let's do it properly:

A =3D "lojban is fully defined."
B =3D "lojban is complet= e."
C =3D "lojban is a functioning language."

&quo= t;lojban is not a fully defined, complete and functioning language" ca= n be written as:

=C2=AC(A =E2=88=A7 B =E2=88=A7 C)

which is equivalent to:
=C2=ACA =E2=88=A8 =C2=ACB =E2=88=A8 =C2=ACC

which is:

"= lojban is not fully defined, or lojban is not complete, or lojban is not a = functioning language."

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