From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBC6yZTpBBoErIDs6g@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 05 18:11:20 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PafJt-0000Rn-Ce; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:11:20 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf53880262qyk.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:11:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4Syr6NbOvoLZTg+c9RrMoZ08Xe4mPVOWnjyqIGawhc8=; b=XUwPMBKYOFYynEW5GfpTRpo/XV7k3BDH69/ytwYnnsoIMUdSYQXl7GUBzcSKEfmarF nkGQ+iWvjM7iDo2P0FiuGBsmyONTYYCrYT5QsfGiMya7ui+ydLl/yQqmFgcxcLYUx0dt o3cTPPFU2MONna/7G+PRcDDSBKLmSz+QnI8eg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=z6J2DpcQuk7P7ovOSUwCpBpX1Ka4RhXM5dlSWIEe4ymWDIKFnSXDOte3KWcB/oZbJP 9UUv3XShPjbOP8F49JSDk8y60Vguy0pUR8Px6XG2Qz34k+BszI9NIg7SR6hCgCEB4Wwj NMXCyAKGif4hgTmCyQaVac+E+LK6W/YJWIGkA= Received: by 10.229.186.137 with SMTP id cs9mr3299967qcb.19.1294279866975; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:11:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.197.8 with SMTP id ei8ls4005354qcb.1.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.68.10 with SMTP id t10mr2520403qci.25.1294279866492; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.68.10 with SMTP id t10mr2520402qci.25.1294279866474; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s6si4409974qco.13.2011.01.05.18.11.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.180; Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so16970244qyk.11 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:11:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.28.66 with SMTP id l2mr22707497qac.14.1294279865358; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.176.71 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:11:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 03:11:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb17a9d59cf049924037a --0015175cb17a9d59cf049924037a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 6 January 2011 03:02, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Wrong on both counts. > > Where: > > A = "lojban is fully defined." > B = "lojban is complete." > C = "lojban is a functioning language." > > "lojban is not a fully defined, complete and functioning language" = > "lojban is not A, B, and C." = "lojban is not (A, B, and C)." = {.i > la.lojban. na mulno smugau je mulno je tolpo'u bangu} > > "lojban is not fully defined, or lojban is not complete, or lojban is not a > functioning language." = "lojban is (not A) or (not B) or (not C)." = {.i > la.lojban. na mulno smugau gi'a na mulno gi'a na tolpo'u bangu} > If A = "lojban is fully defined." then "lojban is not A" means "lojban is not "lojban is fully defined."." Decide what A, B and C mean. In any case, this is what I meant: "It is not true that lojban is fully defined and that lojban is complete and that lojban is a functioning language." That *must* be equivalent to: "lojban is not fully defined, or lojban is not complete, or lojban is not a functioning language." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015175cb17a9d59cf049924037a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 6 January 2011 03:02, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

Where:

A =3D "lojban is fully defined."
B =3D "loj= ban is complete."
C =3D "lojban is a functioning language.&quo= t;

"lojban is not a fully defined, complete and functioning lan= guage" =3D "lojban is not A, B, and C." =3D "lojban is = not (A, B, and C)." =3D {.i la.lojban. na mulno smugau je mulno je tol= po'u bangu}

"lojban is not fully defined, or lojban is not complete, or lojban= is not a functioning language." =3D "lojban is (not A) or (not B= ) or (not C)." =3D {.i la.lojban. na mulno smugau gi'a na mulno gi= 'a na tolpo'u bangu}

If A =3D "lojban is fully defined." = then "lojban is not A" means "lojban is not "lojban is = fully defined."." Decide what A, B and C mean.

In any case= , this is what I meant:
"It is not true that lojban is fully defined and that lojban is comple= te and that lojban is a functioning language."

That *must* be e= quivalent to:
"lojban is not fully defined, or lojban is not comple= te, or lojban is not a functioning language."

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