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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re:
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Too bad, it is more nearly far from functioning -- in the sense of being used 
freely for communication on all manner of topics -- than it is not fully 
defined.  While that is perhaps technically correct, the definition of Lojban is 
so much more nearly complete that that of any other language -- Esperanto very 
definitely included, it being worse off than, say, English, for want of serious 
studies -- that bringing that in as objections is fairly ludicrous.  There may 
be problems with Lojban (oy, may there be) but underdefinition is certainly not 
one of them.




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From: Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 5:11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: 
Vote for the Future Global Language)


On 5 January 2011 23:05, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

> As for the title/subject, I never said that lojban is *broken*, pardon me, I
>> only said that it isn't finished,
>
>You did, actually:
>
>
> it's a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which
>
 lojban is very far from being at the moment
>
>"far from functioning" is very different from "incomplete".
You have misquoted me. My words were, as you quoted them correctly the first 
time:

"[Esperanto is] a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which
 lojban is very far from being at the moment."

So what I *have* said about lojban, is that it's "far from being a fully 
defined, complete and functioning language", not just that it's "far from 
functioning".


I have to say that I'm disappointed and surprised at the same time at the irony 
of having my words so terribly misinterpreted and misunderstood by a lojban 
enthusiast.

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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;fon=
t-size:12pt"><div>Too bad, it is more nearly far from functioning -- in the=
 sense of being used freely for communication on all manner of topics -- th=
an it is not fully defined.&nbsp; While that is perhaps technically correct=
, the definition of Lojban is so much more nearly complete that that of any=
 other language -- Esperanto very definitely included, it being worse off t=
han, say, English, for want of serious studies -- that bringing that in as =
objections is fairly ludicrous.&nbsp; There may be problems with Lojban (oy=
, may there be) but underdefinition is certainly not one of them.<br></div>=
<div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:=
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; font-size: 12pt;"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><hr size=3D"1"><b><spa=
n
 style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Ivo Doko &lt;ivo.doko@gmail.=
com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@goog=
legroups.com<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed,=
 January 5, 2011 5:11:01 PM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subjec=
t:</span></b> Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojba=
n] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)<br></font><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5 January 2011 23:05, Robin Lee Powell <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingd=
om.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org">rlpow=
ell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
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204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; As for the title/subject, I never said that lo=
jban is *broken*, pardon me, I<br>
&gt; only said that it isn't finished,<br>
<br>
</div>You did, actually:<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
 &nbsp;it's a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which<br>
</div> &nbsp;lojban is very far from being at the moment<br>
<br>
"far from functioning" is very different from "incomplete".</blockquote></d=
iv><br>You have misquoted me. My words were, as you quoted them correctly t=
he first time:<br><br>"[Esperanto is] a fully defined, complete and functio=
ning language, which<br>

 &nbsp;lojban is very far from being at the moment."<br><br>So what I *have=
* said about lojban, is that it's "far from being a fully defined, complete=
 and functioning language", not just that it's "far from functioning".<br>
<br><br>I have to say that I'm disappointed and surprised at the same time =
at the irony of having my words so terribly misinterpreted and misunderstoo=
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