From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxC1lsjqBBoE3zDX2g@googlegroups.com Tue Feb 08 19:34:29 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pn0oz-0004Xz-95; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:34:29 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf18016283qwd.16 for ; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:34:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=9MTuBwAGOW53gGAWA4gK+Iof4Zm/0/MKKHRpVbuZyJk=; b=MOXLZ+B2kq0uqKvNFZOsTT3AeCMY5dVcyJJg+dD5wmrueTdPxqupfcujjUZJFA4bxF WgLLEgY3a4mRGuZ+JxgylQA2SRYU9gu30vYnnAfLjOKsUd2F/fjpal+eBqQmwO/18wA9 Sr6WKn/gC24/UEQ7t6YgayDG8zbWiChRTAa5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=jg46meam7Oq/3PPMeOCaq/B1Hva9CeO+5VwOXZDF+vQnM8dci0QsMUsnn78qh+RVC8 SpaJoVRfyilPBNJ7DbcdDgmsMy0NyoltLKZNKZiM6rkii8UNLHo3++kyk2R1JMR64KgS KgVBMT+p7SkfnPGxeahYlHXWjiNlG4JMeJ1Xo= Received: by 10.224.19.134 with SMTP id a6mr508799qab.12.1297222453229; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:34:13 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.196.195 with SMTP id eh3ls27393qab.1.p; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.45.130 with SMTP id e2mr1409861qaf.11.1297222452260; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.45.130 with SMTP id e2mr1409860qaf.11.1297222452193; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i16si41922qco.3.2011.02.08.19.34.11; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:34:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=OXxnStFwwgAA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=lTJHT2TZMAvyuDRoKXAA:9 a=Ou8FqLnEDbspxQr1FkJqinfezrAA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:51528] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 76/8C-13137-23B025D4; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 03:34:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA3817DAB for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:34:10 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Am I completely wrong about tanru? Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:34:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4D51AF31.8030706@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102082234.08411.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 08 February 2011 19:43:31 MorphemeAddict wrote: > Is a hippopotamus even a {rirxe xirma}? I know the etymology of the English > (et al.) suggests 'river horse', but is that carried over to Lojban? I > would expect a more literal interpretation of the tanru, namely 'a river > type of horse'. Since hippopotamuses aren't horses (or xirma), they aren't > rirxe xirma either. I wouldn't call a hippopotamus {rirxe xirma}, but I would call it {ri'erxi'a}. Similarly, lo xajyfi'e na xarju finpe (although by cladistics lo xajyfi'e .e lo xarju are both artiodactyls). As to whether lo tirxyxi'a cu tirxu xirma, that depends on the precise definition of {xirma} (they're in the same genus, but so is lo xasli). Pierre -- The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.