From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDW6szqBBoEinD3fQ@googlegroups.com Wed Feb 09 16:46:30 2011 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PnKfy-0005Bc-HN; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:46:30 -0800 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf297974pxi.16 for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:46:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xMtBmI6Nlv7xPheiGEMtQu+LjF7OQaCZ1SbotkKpnME=; b=TJDCINRIKRaLEnZSo3uMEbquH3YJftopCZolnDyfBNkuYinw/qkDsv5HP6JaBgywg8 kNvP4VBpBqCaSHavZOw5XHiZlJG+DY18W/vE+t5MdxssGq4ICd28XgtTegSaxodmruSp qAcYG/zikzj9SQxD4vh+6d+gw4/0X24MvHouM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5c49gQJQ89e9SSURfXNwzje5lHxEnc/1RGiaDvpE+EjHry9gWURvBN7LyNTJ6o8Z/3 gTBCRwvYb4hOR3I6enFSAKgKO0eSCretosPHdHzlTP695g88fZ73nu4P0lweeBBQKoo1 E9TLVvpr4f8ip3IHIsf6JhcJwv4Wh8xlcvnQU= Received: by 10.142.148.3 with SMTP id v3mr1158442wfd.5.1297298774760; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:46:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.41 with SMTP id 41ls412847wfb.0.p; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.193.9 with SMTP id q9mr3815958wff.32.1297298773552; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.193.9 with SMTP id q9mr3815957wff.32.1297298773516; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pw0-f41.google.com (mail-pw0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i15si998505wfg.1.2011.02.09.16.46.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.41; Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so292475pwj.14 for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:46:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.185.3 with SMTP id i3mr1571398wff.80.1297298772204; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.21 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:46:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110205070102.GI8388@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110205070102.GI8388@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 19:46:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Error in DAG-CLL? 4.6 From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2de427c1da2049be2e82f --000e0cd2de427c1da2049be2e82f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I disagree by way of example. At one point I and some others wanted to translate "nth person" in the sense of narrative perspective. We came up with {miblisri}, {donlisri}, and {ko'a zei lisri}, meaning first, second, and third person narrative, respectively. Not the abstract concepts, mind you: .i mu'a la'o gy if on a winter's night a traveler gy noi ke'a cukta cu donlisri I don't see a better solution than this anywhere; the "nth" solution just seems malgli, and I don't know of any other ideas in general. mu'o mi'e .latros. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > Regardless, {zei} is a really crappy way to do *anything*, so I'm > not inclined to clarify how to do things with it very much. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd2de427c1da2049be2e82f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I disagree by way of example. At one point I and some others wanted to tran= slate "nth person" in the sense of narrative perspective. We came= up with {miblisri}, {donlisri}, and {ko'a zei lisri}, meaning first, s= econd, and third person narrative, respectively. Not the abstract concepts,= mind you:
.i mu'a la'o gy if on a winter's night a traveler gy noi ke'= ;a cukta cu donlisri

I don't see a better solution than this any= where; the "nth" solution just seems malgli, and I don't know= of any other ideas in general.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sat, Fe= b 5, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>= wrote:
Regardless, {zei} is a really crappy way to do *anything*, so I'm
not inclined to clarify how to do things with it very much.

-Robin

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http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/

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